and we have a webpage, where you can preoder my masterwork.
The publishing business continues to surprise me. I have no idea who wrote the text accompanying the Amazon page and, for all I can tell, the first sentence doesn’t even make sense grammatically. Neither, for that matter, did I have anything to do with the cover image. But well, it’s dark, which is fitting enough.
The book is about the role of arguments from beauty, naturalness, and elegance in the foundations of physics, by which I mean high energy physics, cosmology, quantum gravity, and quantum foundations. Or at least that’s what I thought the book would be about. What the book really is about is how to abuse mathematics while pretending to do science.
The structure I chose is somewhat unusual for a popular science book. It’s a series of interviews I conducted, interlaced with explanations of the subject matter, and a broader narrative for context. Among the people I interviewed are Nima Arkani-Hamed, Frank Wilczek, Steven Weinberg, Garrett Lisi, and George Ellis.
You see, I did everything I could to make sure you really, really had to buy the book.
I also interviewed Gian Francesco Giudice, who is maybe not as well-known as the above-named, but who has been a key figure in the naturalness-movement in high-energy physics. Interestingly, he just yesterday posted a paper on the arXiv on what is also a central theme in the book.
To complete the list of interviewees: I also spoke to Michael Krämer, a SUSY phenomenologist in Aachen who unwittingly set me off on this whole enterprise, Keith Olive (also a high-energy phenomenologist), Joe Polchinski (a string theorist), Gordon Kane (the only person on the planet able to derive predictions from string theory), Katherine Mack (an astrophysicist), Chad Orzel (he who teaches physics to dogs), Xiao Gang-Wen (a condensed matter physicist with a theory of everything) and Doyne Farmer (a physicist turned economist).
I also interviewed Howard Baer and Gerard 't Hooft, but the two didn’t make the final cut and only appear in a short sentence each. I swear, throwing them out was the hardest part of writing the whole book.
While the book focuses on physics, my aim is much more general. The current situation in the foundations of physics is a vivid example for how science fails to self-correct. The reasons for this failure, as I lay out in the book, are unaddressed social and cognitive biases. But this isn't a problem specific to the foundations of physics. It’s a problem that befalls all disciplines, just that in my area the prevalence of not-so-scientific thinking is particularly obvious due to the lack of data.
This isn’t a nice book and sadly it’s foreseeable most of my colleagues will hate it. By writing it, I waived my hopes of ever getting tenure. This didn’t come easily to me. But I have waited two decades for things to change and they didn’t change and I came to conclude at the very least I can point at the problems I see.
If you care about progress in the foundations of physics, please preorder the book. Also follow me on facebook or twitter for further updates. You don’t have to wait for the book’s content to appear on this blog, it won’t happen.
bee:
ReplyDeletei just placed my pre-order for 2 copies with Amazon. nice title. good description. you might want to re-consider the cover design.
richard
Richard,
ReplyDeleteGreat :o) As I said, I had nothing to do with the cover.
It's not available for pre-order in India. Surprisingly it's publishing date is my birthday. :)
ReplyDeleteCongratulations! How can I not buy a book by a savant who keeps our sanity from all kinds of academic rubbish? Thank you for writing this book. Hope your book to become a million seller. --Jay
ReplyDeleteOf course, I pre-ordered it. Now, about your lament…
ReplyDelete"I also interviewed Howard Bear and Gerard 't Hooft, but the two didn’t make the final cut and only appear in a short sentence each. I swear, throwing them out was the hardest part of writing the whole book.… You don’t have to wait for the book’s content to appear on this blog, it won’t happen."
How about a few (other) choice snippets from Howard and Gerard to help us through the 7-month wait? Or is their other stuff already on your schedule for something else?
Hello Sabine,
ReplyDeleteWill definately order it.
You sound pessimistic about the reception of the book, but I would remark 2 things. The right Zeitgeist may not be here yet, but it will come at some point in the future, for the brave and the patient. As for the present, I have a sneaking suspicion that there is an undercurrent among younger physicists concurring with your views. Hopefully they will become more brave aswell due to a.o. your efforts.
Best, Koenraad
I placed a pre-order for the ebook version of your new book on Kindle - it was really easy to do, a search for "lost in math" gave your book as the first hit. (My feedback regarding the cover art: the Kindle app is showing your book with no cover art and with a "no image" placeholder. Anyway, the title is perfect and that's all that matters! ��)
ReplyDeleteAs a long-time lurker: I love your blog!
Totally off topic:
The only post of yours I ever disagreed with was your post about: "No, we probably don’t live in a computer simulation".
In particular this statement:
"The simulation hypothesis, as it’s called, enjoys a certain popularity among people who like to think of themselves as intellectual, believing it speaks for their mental flexibility. Unfortunately it primarily speaks for their lacking knowledge of physics."
... almost trolled me out of lurker mode! ��
The argument you made is IMHO based on three independent levels of fallacies:
• Logic: It assumes that the universe that simulates ours is dictated by the same principles of logic as ours. That is not necessarily so, even by the logic of our universe - but
we can put this abstract argument aside safely, because universes with weird logic probably cannot be discussed using the logic of our universe.
• Physics: Even assuming universes with matching logic, your argument also appears to assume that somehow the higher level universe has to be using the physics of the simulated universe (ours). Why does that have to be so? Why cannot a universe with no entropy and vastly superior computing power run a 'lesser' universe with 'worse' physics and simulate it to within the error bars of the uncertainty principle? Could the uncertainty principle itself, combined with the quantization of most metrics in physics be a clever method to limit the amount of computing required to simulate us?
• Computing: Even assuming the exact same physics and limitations on computing power in the two universes, your argument still fails IMHO: there's the question of observability and the question of observable time steps:
•• Firstly, phenomena we don't observe don't have to be simulated right away. By default the complex worlds around other stars don't have to be simulated beyond rudimentary approximations. The moment an observer in our universe directs a telescope at a distant world the simulation might 'stop' for a while (their time - undetectable by us!) and compute a plausible set of more fine-grained physical data to feed our telescopes. This act of on-demand simulation
could massively reduce the data that has to be computed in a simulation. Note how conveniently entropy in our universe destroys most traces of past events and makes
the proving of any simulation inaccuracies via measurements more difficult.
•• Secondly, even the computers of our universe can be used to simulate a universe similar to ours, without the act of simulation being observable, by using a super-deterministic
model for quantum mechanics, where all observable physics is calculated on-demand for the observers they are interested in. A time step in the simulated universe can take an arbitrary (but finite) amount of time to calculate in the higher universe - that variable delay will be
unobservable in the simulated universe. So no, we don't "have to" use qbits to get quantum mechanics.
So I really don't see how your argument can hold:
We might or might not be living in a simulated universe. If we are lucky then the coders of the higher universe messed up and effects of the sloppy programming can be detected by us. (In the extreme we might even be able to "hack" into their higher universe and observe aspects of it.)
If they are competent we'll never be able to tell.
It is probably to late to change the title, but I get the feeling that lost in math, and the beauty criterium do not cover the package you want to get across. There's a lot more going on, as you indicated in your post.
ReplyDeletePerhaps something like this ,) :
" The unbearable lightness of modern physics "
as in lacking new foundations, causality, motivation, relevant constraints etc.
Sound a bit more iconic too, no ?
I'll throw in a free redesign for the cover, I know how that is done. Or better yet, couldn't you propose doing that yourself, you've got the skills for it. Make a fist, get what you want, that's my advice.
Best, Koenraad
Congratulations! I'm sure it's an important book.
ReplyDeleteThe cover's fine.
The comment on Amazon is far too black&white, and I don't think it reflects the more refined and nuanced views you are going to bring forward. Is that fair to say ? You should have the opportunity to write that yourself, or at least have a hand in it.
ReplyDeleteBest, Koenraad
Their principle behind cover design is that they should be specific to the genre, so people can recognise what the book is about. So they make your book look like Lee Smolin's cover as that book had a similar theme, dark and serious. Foreboding.
ReplyDeleteAndrew,
ReplyDeleteThe cover of Lee's book was a squeaky blue-and-orange. Besides, I sincerely doubt the existence of any such principle as you mention.
Koenraad,
ReplyDeleteThanks for your advice on the cover and on the title, but I have reason to believe I know better what the book is about than you.
Constantly Thinking,
ReplyDeleteThis comment is off-topic and I do not want to pursue this discussion here. Let me just say that what you write is wrong. I have not made assumptions about the higher-level physics and it could as well obey different kinds of logic. Yes, you could stop the simulation, but then you'd have to count "consciousnesses per time" instead if you want to speak about the likelihood of us being simulated.
The book is "currently unavailable" in the UK, which effectively means the publisher has got a product page created but has not put it up for pre-order. Plenty of time before publication for them to do so (but if you can blog when it happens - if someone tells you about it - it would be a useful reminder for potential readers.)
ReplyDeleteIs there a Kindle version? Constantly Thinking ... says he's pre-ordered one but there is no reference to anything other than the hardback when I look at the Amazon.com page you linked to. They wouldn't sell me a Kindle version anyway (I have to buy in the UK) but they are still normally displayed if one exists.
Mike,
ReplyDeleteThe British rights haven't been sold.
I placed a pre-order with iBooks. Looking forward to reading it.
ReplyDeleteThere were a couple of versions of Lee's cover. Mine's black.
ReplyDeleteJust pre-ordered the book via Amazon's 1-click feature. In the meantime I have a pile of books on math and physics, that I'll be working my way through over the fall, winter, spring that should give me some background preparation for reading Sabine's new book.
ReplyDeleteAlmost became a co-author of a book on UFO's, with my twin brother, a subject that has fascinated us since our early teens. At the last minute he decided to go it alone, so my chapters have been collecting dust for some years now. Might just try to publish my own section, though it's a formidable effort after seeing what my brother went through. However, my brother will help me out if I decide to do it, as he's already gone through the whole, complex process.
Of course I will read your book! But what is "phenomenology" in a physics context, I think continental philosophy has a prior claim to that term? Lastly, the problems you allude to and have written about (naturalness for on) would seem to make you and Lee Smolin allies. Do you know him?
ReplyDeleteSabine, did you (or why didn't you) interview Juan Maldacena? Best regards.
ReplyDeleteGuillermo,
ReplyDeleteWe can spend the next 3 years with you asking "Why didn't you interview X" and me shrugging shoulders and no one will learn anything from it. I think the people I interviewed give the reader a pretty good picture of the community.
Matthew,
ReplyDeletePhenomenology (in science) is the bridge from theory to experiment. I explain that in the book. And no, it has nothing to do with the area of philosophy that goes by the same name. I also explain that in the book.
Yes, I know Lee.
Just pre ordered the Kindle version. Too bad we have to wait so long for an electronic book that is already finished.
ReplyDeleteInterviewing other physicists and comparing arguments seems like a fair way to present controversial opinions, and interesting for readers. (Good idea.)
ReplyDeleteThe Amazon page your link took me to gave three options including Kindle (a previous commenter said he did not see a Kindle option - I guess that's a regional issue).
I chose Hard Cover. My current Kindle technology makes it hard to read graphs and to go back and forth over material - it is suitable for light reading only. (Plus you can't wrap a Kindle book up and give it as a graduation present, although of course I would use extra copies for that.)
The advertising copy Amazon and other book-sellers use to entice buyers has never been useful to me in predicting whether I will enjoy a book or find it educational. I doubt if the copy-writers have actually read the book, in most cases. The Amazon "Look Inside" feature is very useful, when it is available. (In this case, the "Look Inside" option is to read this blog.) (It would have been great if the Amazon page linked to here!)
spink,
ReplyDeleteIt's not finished - I haven't received the copy edits yet and the figures aren't done.
Pre-ordered the Kindle version. Also looking forward to hearing what you have to say to Natalie Wolchover next month.
ReplyDelete"Phenomenology (in science) is the bridge from theory to experiment."
ReplyDeleteTheory derived from a non-empirical postulate excludes postulate-falsifying experiments that contradict accepted theory.
GW170817 binary neutron star merger plus 1.7 second delayed gamma-ray flash over 130 million lightyears path falsified several non-classical gravitations. Are they abandoned? 4.6 light-seconds solar diameter.
DOI:10.1038/nature24048 (no paywall) Hadronic matter and antimatter are parts-per-billion indistinguishable. Baryogenesis remains unsourced?
2.11×10^(-9) difference/average divergence, proton versus antiproton magnetic moment
0.61×10^(-9) bias, hadrons less antihadrons versus photons, baryogenesis
0.12×10^(-9) m/s² Milgrom acceleration versus dark matter
One bench top testable source for all...contradicts accepted theory. look
Sounds fantastic--can't wait to read it. Also looking forward to seeing you and Natalie Wolchover at NYU next month.
ReplyDeleteJust pre-ordered the Kindle edition. Looking forward to reading.
ReplyDeleteI have a question about the mathematical step that had to occur to go from Dirac’s “beautiful equation” to the Feynman diagrams/path integrals stimulated by observations by Kusch and Willis Lamb. (Dirac is said to be a beauty/elegance hard-liner.)
ReplyDeleteDid the Dirac equation become useless or did it describe pieces of the process where electrons interact with photons which can split in electron-positron pairs then annihilate back to photons? I don’t understand the bridge between unified elegance and a never-ending set of messy diagrams. Thanks.
Wow, great, I look forward to reading it! Congratulations!
ReplyDeletePre-order: done
ReplyDeleteBee,
ReplyDeleteWith your worries about tenure, etc. I sense that you almost feel you have to apologise for being a sceptic. The reality, I believe, is the opposite. It is those who have raised so-called "fundamental" physics to new heights of untestability that should be apologising. In any case the public, and by extension, the grant-giving bodies cannot be fooled forever. Sooner or later funding is going to be cut and it would be as well to be out of it when that happens.
Congrats Sabine! I had no idea you were writing a book and I am looking forward to picking up a copy. Will you be doing any promotional events at FIAS to celebrate its release?
ReplyDeleteGreat Sabine, The theme of the book is very interesting and I'll definitely buy it
ReplyDeleteAt FIAS? I dunno, if someone is interested, sure. But the book won't be published in Germany until fall 2018.
ReplyDeleteDear Sabine, Thank you, I am looking forward to reading your book. I studied economics. A similar "Lost in Math" phenomenon occurred in that field when physics envy took over. Nobelist Paul Krugman described in his essay "How did economics get it so wrong?" from 2009 following the crash, especially his first section "Mistaking Beauty for Truth". I wonder if you see a parallel?
ReplyDeleteI am sorry to read that you sacrificed gaining tenure by publishing this book. Wny is that so?
RobP,
ReplyDeleteI quote that very article in the book! That's what I spoke about with Doyne Farmer. It's in the last chapter and not really a key point because it's somewhat off the physics-theme, but yes there are some parallels I think, though the situation is different in some regards. What's similar, I think, is that the communities settle on a certain "accepted style" that becomes strongly enforced, not because it's written down as a requirement, but because the community doesn't support who doesn't comply. It's different in that in economics it's somewhat of a mystery why anyone would find it elegant what they do. But that's the theoretical physicist speaking here ;)
Regarding tenure. The game you have to play to get tenure is to convince a committee that you will do more of what they're already doing at that place. You don't get hired for criticizing others. It counts for nothing in the best case, and against you in the worst case.
But please don't misunderstand this, I'm not complaining. I am happy doing what I'm doing because I feel it's the right thing to do. I just meant to say I have debated back and forth with myself for a long time whether I should publicly denounce most of the research in my field as nonsense. It would have been easy enough to write a book about something else, you know, the usual science cheer leading stuff. But it's just not me.
Looks very interesting and the subject is important.
ReplyDeleteI think I will read the book.
@RobP 1997 Nobel Prize/Economics to Black, Merton and Scholes for arbitrarily small risk investment. It was not scale-independent.
ReplyDeletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-Term_Capital_Management
...Rigorous math is not science when falsified. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/crash/etc/cron.html
..Thai baht devaluation nearly collapsed Western civilization
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-george-soros-broke-the-bank-of-thailand-2016-9
...Omitted parameter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Thursday
... Positive feedback versus damping,
Centrally administered economics fails, Tragedy of the Commons rather than contained appetite or personal sacrifice for team victory. 50 years of non-classical gravitations are empirically sterile. Test not suppress the boojum causing global glitches.
It's just that non-renormalizable couplings are very likely suppressed by about the grand unification scale. That's all it is. Only the Higgs and nothing else, is actual a beautiful confirmation of what we already expected.
ReplyDeleteI believe Howie spells his name "Baer".
ReplyDeleteKenK
Kenneth,
ReplyDeleteSorry, I fixed that.
Just pre ordered your book, hope many will do. Also hope that eventually you'll get your tenure. Learned a lot from your bloog about modern physics (since graduated 40 years ago..)
ReplyDeleteWould definitely prefer "maths" to "math" in the title. Looking forward to reading it!
ReplyDeleteI just pre-ordered the Nook version from Barnes and Noble. Seriously ironic that I decided to support Nook instead of Kindle because I love book stores, and so want them to survive, but once I did, I just love being able to buy digital books instantly instead of going to bookstores. But the biggest problem is that I've run out of room for physical copies. :/
ReplyDeleteI really do appreciate your work. Several years ago, I decided to check up on the current state of physics, and as I said a few days ago, my first reaction was that the Emperor Has No Clothes mixed with quite a bit of the Wizard of Oz.
Obviously, I didn't trust what I was reading, but I do trust what you say. That doesn't mean I always agree with your perspective, but rather you don't come across as the Wizard of Oz, and so have much more credibility about physics than a lot of things I've read lately.
You're clever, independently minded and possessing a healthy iconoclastic approach to your field. These are necessary attributes for tenure in many institutions.
ReplyDeleteWere someone like you to apply in in my field, I'd support that person's application.
Best of luck.
Sabine,
ReplyDeleteDo you plan on releasing the excluded interviews on a popular magazine or website?
Daniel,
ReplyDeleteNo. In fact I can't because I don't have permission.
Congrats on your new book.....you have a lot of material to work from, and is a nice way to move forward having the perspective recorded. Learned lots from you over the years. :-)
ReplyDeleteDear Dr. Sabine Hossenfelder.
ReplyDeleteDo you also belong to the theorists that are lost in math, or do you have the solution?
Osvaldo,
ReplyDeleteThe title of the book refers to assumptions that get "lost in math", not to people, though certainly I also used it to sum up my own story.
I have some suggestions in the book for how to improve the situation. Whether these are solutions, only time will tell.
An interesting thing about the tenure system is that it's original purpose is to convey a sort of intellectual freedom to a faculty. If you've demonstrated that you can teach well and are productive, you get tenure and some freedom to research what you want and think (aloud) what you want without worrying so much about job security. Well, I think that was the original idea. It's never been without its problems.
ReplyDeleteI taught physics for a little while at a college that did not have a tenure system. A colleague was researching it at the time in an effort to reinstate the system there. It turned out that the college had abandoned tenure during the Vietnam war, for obviously political reasons.
Anyway, I'm very much looking forward to your book!
Will there be a Kindle version?
ReplyDeleteYes, there will be a Kindle version.
ReplyDeleteI have amassed a collection of several eBooks. While there is something aesthetically pleasing about a well produced traditional book, there are several reasons to switch: running out of space at home; easier to read on the beach, train, plane, etc; easier to make notes, look up words, translate words, and so on; easier to read at night without annoying others. Let me put in a request for an ePub edition. The advantage of ePub: it is an open format, and not tied to any sort of reader, though many readers support it (though not Kindle, as far as I know). For reading, I recommend tolino. (An open format does not imply no royalties; if desired, both digital watermarks and Adobe-ID authorization are supported.)
ReplyDeleteI have long had this thought in my head that equations (maths), are not 'real science models'. Recently discovered a Cosmologist called Wallace Thornhill who specifically called that out. 'Mathematics is NOT science.' Should I understand that this is NOT the gist of your book, but rather that theoretical assumptions can be lost in the Math ?
ReplyDeleteMark,
ReplyDeleteDepends on what you mean by 'science'. The German use of the word ("Wissenschaft") is close to the Latin original "scientia" meaning, essentially, knowledge. Mathematics is knowledge, hence in German it's a science.
In the English use of the word, maths does not belong to the sciences. I don't know why. I'm not sure it's an interesting question to discuss, and in any case, I'm not a linguist.
Having said that, leaving aside the meaning of words, math along isn't sufficient to describe nature because you also need an identification of the mathematical structures with observation to make a theory.
Yes, I explain that in the book. No, it's not what the book is about. The book is about how you can hide beauty criteria in math and then forget about them. Best,
B.
typo: along->alone
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry if this isn't the most appropriate place to ask, but will there be a hardcover version in Italy in time for when the book comes out?
ReplyDeleteLuca,
ReplyDeleteNo Italian publisher has signaled interest in publishing the book, hence there is no Italian version in the planning.
Have also ordered two copies of the hardcover. One is already in the hands of a good friend living in Britain from where the books were shipped, while my own copy is still in transit to rural Australia. My friend is already reading it and sending me terrific reviews in the form of regular updates, so I am by now very keen to read it.
ReplyDeleteI also wanted to thank you for writing this book. I have some sense of its scope by watching some of your most recent presentations online. My guess is that Lost in Math stands to become an important historical reference for future science historians, likely a primary source, detailing how late 20th and early 21st century physics took on poorly defined ideas more related to philosophy, hubris and articles of faith, than to traditional methods of empirical science.
It would be all too easy to worry about petty and not so petty forms of professional retribution leveraged against you and the mounting personal cost of such a thing. This surely stops a lot of like minded people from taking any serious career risks at all. The conservatism and careerist nature of science culture is clearly antithetical to the method itself so that fostering revolutions in science is harder than it should be and that is a sorry trend repeated over and over in science history, of course. Perhaps for that reason, revolutions in thinking tend to brew for some time such that the first shots fired in the revolution come long before the last shot is fired. So the personal and professional costs stand to be rather high and yet you wrote and published it anyway. I am extremely grateful that you took on this personal risk and wanted to say so.
Best wishes.
Just read italian translation.
ReplyDeleteHonest, deep, useful and open.
regards