tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post7307436646760966663..comments2023-09-27T07:44:19.769-04:00Comments on Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: FAZ: Interview with German member of OPERA collaborationSabine Hossenfelderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-31629980108210750902011-10-12T02:49:04.482-04:002011-10-12T02:49:04.482-04:00"My stance is, OPERA results are real and the..."My stance is, OPERA results are real and they should be published ASAP." ... Zephir<br /><br />We are not surprised, God of the Wind. How are your efforts to have your work published in a respectable publication coming along, hmm? <br /><br />I take the opposite view..<br /><br />There are 4 ways things could have gone wrong to explain away the results. <br /><br />The first is that Steven Colyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10435759210177642257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-86694342115790537502011-10-12T02:46:56.106-04:002011-10-12T02:46:56.106-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Steven Colyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10435759210177642257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-15132764785212855592011-10-09T17:39:48.093-04:002011-10-09T17:39:48.093-04:00My stance is, OPERA results are real and they shou...My stance is, OPERA results are real and they should be published ASAP. IMO we can model the space-time (brane) with density gradient at the phase interface of two elastic fluids. After then a two kinds of solitons will appear: A) the one, which corresponds to photons and it spreads with slightly lower speed, than the transverse surface waves (which are serving as an analogy of light waves) B) Zephirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06010623752049244967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-58604988101837193602011-10-07T14:01:31.037-04:002011-10-07T14:01:31.037-04:00Just a continua Bee by Theoretical Physicist Matt ...Just a continua Bee by Theoretical Physicist Matt Strassler, in, <a href="http://profmattstrassler.com/2011/10/06/is-the-opera-speedy-neutrino-experiment-self-contradictory/" title="The Cohen-Glashow argument" rel="nofollow">Is the OPERA Speedy Neutrino Experiment Self-Contradictory?</a><br /><br />There is much there to learn and thought to include the idea that the GZK upper limit. How PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-19527079303404561902011-10-05T07:52:21.865-04:002011-10-05T07:52:21.865-04:00Lets go back to the beginning?
Before I comment o...Lets go back to the beginning?<br /><br /><i>Before I comment on the result, let me give you a little background on the whole thing. Opera is a very innovative concept in neutrino detection. Its aim is to detect tau neutrino appearance in a beam of muon neutrinos.</i><a href="http://www.science20.com/quantum_diaries_survivor/sixsigma_signal_superluminal_neutrinos_opera-82744" title="A Six-Sigma PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-87483077899745588012011-10-05T07:07:38.359-04:002011-10-05T07:07:38.359-04:00Hi Neil,
The bottom line for me is to being able ...Hi Neil,<br /><br />The bottom line for me is to being able to confident in the tracking and identification of particles which if were to travel through a light year of lead have only a 50/50 chance of interacting with any of it to be taken as a serious result without exercising maximal care and caution. <br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />PhilPhil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-67693373611639485252011-10-05T07:05:36.401-04:002011-10-05T07:05:36.401-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-47961486613264573952011-10-05T02:15:50.306-04:002011-10-05T02:15:50.306-04:00Hi George,
You might be interested in this paper ...Hi George,<br /><br />You might be interested in this paper http://arxiv.org/abs/1109.6160 Best,<br /><br />B.Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-41968492067018711782011-10-04T16:32:28.332-04:002011-10-04T16:32:28.332-04:00Let me venture a simpler explanation why superlumi...Let me venture a simpler explanation why superluminal signals would not lead to any reversal of cause and effect and would not enable time travel into the past: Einstein's clock adjustment procedure is not a synchronization procedure in all inertial frames of reference, and when clocks are not synchronized the concept of cause and effect becomes inapplicable to signals that are sufficiently Georg Lentzehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09440673463705490843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-4270125840550309482011-10-04T10:14:04.811-04:002011-10-04T10:14:04.811-04:00Sascha Vongehr, with his notions apparently alread...Sascha Vongehr, with his notions apparently already alluded to here, is an interesting blogger who perhaps pushes the envelope a bit much. He claims, no big causality hassle for superluminal neutrinos per reference to some work out there and his own supporting arguments. In a sense, I think "maybe" he's at least on to something because is it possible to just work off the original Neil Bateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04564859009749481136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-38106696116064094242011-10-04T09:22:59.255-04:002011-10-04T09:22:59.255-04:00Hi Bee,
Of course neutrinos can go faster than li...Hi Bee,<br /><br /><i>Of course neutrinos can go faster than light without violating special relativity.</i><br /><br />That's all that is needed to be said without a scientist speaking to another as if he were a fool:)The PI lecture was handled correctly. Helps expand knowledge base of the general public. Appreciate the appeal to the global network of scientists in this matter of OPERA.<br /PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-58677585027351846332011-10-04T09:12:49.187-04:002011-10-04T09:12:49.187-04:00Hi Neil,
Again while with most certainty the ques...Hi Neil,<br /><br />Again while with most certainty the question around speed of light have been confirmed.....why not considered those effects we might see "where containment in your example sees" photons held to the parameters to which they are expressed, as in supernova(spherical cow), while neutrinos are less affected and show travel times sooner on earth then the photons that have PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-75662648191333667352011-10-04T09:05:01.235-04:002011-10-04T09:05:01.235-04:00The most depressing thing about the cascade of the...The most depressing thing about the cascade of theoretical papers about this is not the fact that they were turned out in a matter of days --- though that's bad enough. No, the worst thing is that all of the papers I have seen could have been written 20 years ago [and maybe some of them were.....]. Has our collective originality really degenerated to this extent?Rastus Odinga Odingahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615544434035028500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-57444887511370098562011-10-04T08:08:38.286-04:002011-10-04T08:08:38.286-04:00Thanks Phil,
P.I. Chats: Faster-than-light neutri...Thanks Phil,<br /><br /><a href="http://eskesthai.blogspot.com/2011/10/pi-chats-faster-than-light-neutrinos.html" rel="nofollow">P.I. Chats: Faster-than-light neutrinos?</a> <br /><br />That link is what I was looking for...while player appeared on previous link, it did not open to video....I am on faster connection right now so this maybe difference...loading time. Just showed zero for minutes PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-60482573123191308882011-10-04T07:51:19.837-04:002011-10-04T07:51:19.837-04:00While waiting on better hashing of whether neutrin...While waiting on better hashing of whether neutrinos can indeed go FTL, here's a "fun fact" about them: despite the W/weakness of their interaction, a supernova emits enough of them that even if inhabitants could burrow under an orbiting planet that would not be destroyed by the blast etc. per se, the neutrino flux would kill them.Neil Bateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04564859009749481136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-37203415311318189732011-10-04T07:01:55.751-04:002011-10-04T07:01:55.751-04:00Hi Plato,
I find the link is working for me when ...Hi Plato,<br /><br />I find the link is working for me when I click on it. Is it not taking you anywhere as you do have to click on the play arrow to begin the video. I was wondering if anyone else here has had trouble with the link? Now that I think about it perhaps the link is forcing you to use a particular viewer so <a href="http://pirsa.org/11090135" rel="nofollow">try this one</a>.<br /><Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-10226242949169310262011-10-04T01:47:58.016-04:002011-10-04T01:47:58.016-04:00Hi Arun,
No. That might be because I didn't r...Hi Arun,<br /><br />No. That might be because I didn't read the paper. (I thought tachyons gain energy, no?)<br /><br />Hi Plato,<br /><br />Of course neutrinos can go faster than light without violating special relativity. Tachyons are perfectly compatible with special relativity. And for all I know you need a charge for Cherenkov radiation and neutrinos don't have one. <br /><br /><br /Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-1092100278859100602011-10-03T17:47:13.703-04:002011-10-03T17:47:13.703-04:00Do you understand what goes into the Cohen & G...Do you understand what goes into the Cohen & Glashow paper that calculates that OPERA could not have seen neutrinos of energy 42 GeV because superluminal neutrinos very quickly shed energy?Arunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03451666670728177970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-88267581294749176732011-10-03T11:26:53.697-04:002011-10-03T11:26:53.697-04:00Contrary to what some Gardeners proposed in poetry...Contrary to what some Gardeners proposed in poetry(arrogant) for others, <a href="http://eskesthai.blogspot.com/2011/09/measurement-of-neutrino-velocity-with_26.html" rel="nofollow">this discussion</a> may mean more to those who have been following from Fly's eye experiments, Pierre Auger and Greisen-Zatsepin-Kuzmin Limit that you and Stefan had been working out in terms of energetic values PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-12341912441225772202011-10-03T11:00:18.178-04:002011-10-03T11:00:18.178-04:00And a more direct link:
Neutrinos CAN Go Faster T...And a more direct link:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.science20.com/alpha_meme/neutrinos_can_go_faster_light_without_violating_relativity-82950" title="By Sascha Vongehr September 25th 2011" rel="nofollow">Neutrinos CAN Go Faster Than Light Without Violating Relativity</a><br /><br />Until something has been verified does not mean such ideas cannot be explored in the context of the experiments..PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-79909707177270275952011-10-03T10:46:48.674-04:002011-10-03T10:46:48.674-04:00Hi,
Maybe a little more elucidation on the subjec...Hi,<br /><br />Maybe a little more <a href="http://asymptotia.com/2011/09/23/no-uh-uh-nope-nuh-uh/#comment-193447" title="Sascha Vongehr" rel="nofollow">elucidation</a> on the subject?<br /><br />Regardless of the opinions of who signed what and what assumptive s that has been made about scientists, what is of relevance is if it were seen that Cerenkov is representative of the idea that the "PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-65696703320874852142011-10-03T01:39:57.183-04:002011-10-03T01:39:57.183-04:00HI Muon,
Yes, maybe it takes 6 months instead of ...HI Muon,<br /><br />Yes, maybe it takes 6 months instead of 2, but what does it matter? I mean, maybe I'm being German, but I believe scientific history can't be rushed. Look, we have to wait for the checks anyway. <br /><br />I haven't said anybody is weak or sloppy. I just believe good things take time and I'm wondering what were the reasons for them to create so many headlines Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-18051238730076745642011-10-02T15:42:21.246-04:002011-10-02T15:42:21.246-04:00Hi Phil,
These results didn’t just suddenly appe...Hi Phil,<br /><br /><em> These results didn’t just suddenly appear yet were being recorded an analyzed over the course of three years.</em><br /><br />Yes, I know it takes long, but considering it's statistics, I guess once they had the sufficient number of shots for estimating a significant speed for the neutrinos, there the excitement broke out and they could not wait any further and they Jérôme Chauvethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02545307794681614263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-77194741049514292222011-10-02T15:28:02.306-04:002011-10-02T15:28:02.306-04:00Anyway, we know now this: in 2 months the results ...Anyway, we know now this: in 2 months the results got with the other detector will be available.<br /><br />If it's positive with that too, then I guess we can't no longer deny the fact.<br /><br />I guess the next step will be: Can one generalize the case of the neutrino to all and every piece of matter?...Jérôme Chauvethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02545307794681614263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-23488902521845429262011-10-02T14:08:42.858-04:002011-10-02T14:08:42.858-04:00Erudite theoretic spews. Comment, countercomment, ...Erudite theoretic spews. Comment, countercomment, deathblow.<br />http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/27212/#comments<br /><br />This is neither Shrödinger nor Gödel. A superluminal massed body is error or a bobbled spacetime diagram. Nny mechanism allowing it must also have it further accelerate. Negative temps kelvin are easy to access - get an MRI. Coming and going, the Uncle Alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05056804084187606211noreply@blogger.com