tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post7141827479208138722..comments2023-09-27T07:44:19.769-04:00Comments on Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: What makes you you?Sabine Hossenfelderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-56627534354378267092011-09-27T02:22:39.488-04:002011-09-27T02:22:39.488-04:00As a strict physicalist, I found this problem a bi...As a strict physicalist, I found this problem a bit jarring when Scott Aaronson brought it up in his lecture notes for <i>Quantum Computing Since Democritus</i> (I followed along online).<br /><br />To resolve it, I asked: if I were cloned while in a deeply unconscious state, how would I know if I were the original or the clone? And the answer (assuming perfect cloning) is obviously you wouldn&#codyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11407919985914326282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-54762703896687561892011-08-23T04:59:11.030-04:002011-08-23T04:59:11.030-04:00Hi Bee,
It seems that the votes between die and d...Hi Bee,<br /><br />It seems that the votes between die and don’t die are coming closer to Schrodinger’s predictions regarding such matters; then again that's only when we look :-) <br /><br />Best,<br /><br />PhilPhil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-40821906994250501362011-08-21T21:54:04.000-04:002011-08-21T21:54:04.000-04:00Thanks Phil,
You and Lee share some correspondenc...Thanks Phil,<br /><br />You and Lee share some correspondences with regard to Platonism views?;)Meno? How did the servant boy know?<br /><br /><b>Phil</b>:<i>With Penrose you have the unaltered Platonian view that mathematics while forming the bases for all, is not part of the world or rather on a separate plane.<br /><br />With Bohm you have the action of particles, dictated by the nature and PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-32658446547407226252011-08-21T19:25:39.358-04:002011-08-21T19:25:39.358-04:00Hi Bee,
Maybe something of the sort of an integro...Hi Bee,<br /><br />Maybe something of the sort of an integro-differential equation... ;)<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />ChristineChristine Cordula Dantashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05271747374185459530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-30812346771719111242011-08-21T16:18:16.694-04:002011-08-21T16:18:16.694-04:00Hi Plato,
I wouldn’t deny that teleportation as t...Hi Plato,<br /><br />I wouldn’t deny that teleportation as they’ve described has information to be preserved and yet find <a href="http://ndpr.nd.edu/news/24606-philosophy-of-quantum-information-and-entanglement/" rel="nofollow">as with some others</a> reason to remain sceptical if that which is referred to as reality to be nothing more than information. This being as John Bell asked when such Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-28887775573581835492011-08-21T16:16:18.043-04:002011-08-21T16:16:18.043-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-43638319895141772082011-08-21T16:12:09.086-04:002011-08-21T16:12:09.086-04:00there is an episode of futurama about thisthere is an episode of futurama about thisMichaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10541649117536940478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-8843441174212376542011-08-21T15:08:40.566-04:002011-08-21T15:08:40.566-04:00Quantum teleportation, step by step. Although the ...<i>Quantum teleportation, step by step. Although the details of their experiments differ, both the NIST and Innsbruck teams have achieved deterministic teleportation of a quantum state between trapped ions:<br /><br /> First, an entangled state of ions A and B is generated, then the state to be teleported -- a coherent superposition of internal states -- is created in a third ion, P.<br /><br PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-14334251094958340852011-08-21T14:57:11.031-04:002011-08-21T14:57:11.031-04:00Hi Phil,
I am at your mercy:)
There may have bee...Hi Phil,<br /><br />I am at your mercy:)<br /><br />There may have been a whole <a href="http://eskesthai.blogspot.com/2010/01/historical-figures-lead-us-to-topic-of.html" rel="nofollow">historical theoretical movement in the works</a>, yet my mind goes back to the experimental progressions.<br /><br />The procedural steps to expansion of experimental processes, helped me to propose that while PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-29335806397491423062011-08-21T11:30:36.333-04:002011-08-21T11:30:36.333-04:00Hi Plato,
We seem to be talking past each other, ...Hi Plato,<br /><br />We seem to be talking past each other, as I’m addressing the subtleties involved in the ontological differences of competing theories as it relates to decoherence and you are focusing on what name should be given to something that was recognized years before. The fact is I’m quite aware what the term “plectics” is to mean and yet Gell-Mann doesn’t even make reference to it Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-12196052416060400862011-08-21T08:33:08.518-04:002011-08-21T08:33:08.518-04:00To be fair Phil,
I try to forgive personalities, ...To be fair Phil,<br /><br />I try to forgive personalities, and focus on the work.<br /><br />Murray Gell-Mann was referring to a state of complexity, "<i>it is appropriate that plectics refers to entanglement or the lack thereof, since entanglement is a key feature of the way complexity arises out of simplicity,</i>" that foundational basis and recognition is important. <br /><br /><i>PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-62921437292525114342011-08-21T06:52:54.885-04:002011-08-21T06:52:54.885-04:00Hi Hoelder1in,
But that's not how the human b...Hi Hoelder1in,<br /><br />But that's not how the human brain actually works. Its hardware is its software too. Best,<br /><br />B.Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-20122124983479468282011-08-21T06:49:39.989-04:002011-08-21T06:49:39.989-04:00Hi Christine,
Thanks for your interesting comment...Hi Christine,<br /><br />Thanks for your interesting comment. This made me think there is something really funny here with the time evolution. If I could scan initial conditions (too sufficiently good precision) on some (compact) patch on some time slice and copy them to some other slice, wouldn't I also have to copy the evolution backward in time (at least to some extend since I'm not Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-32712036389051137552011-08-21T02:44:10.124-04:002011-08-21T02:44:10.124-04:00Hi Plato,
“Can we look at entanglement as a recon...Hi Plato,<br /><br /><i>“Can we look at entanglement as a reconstituted process?”</i><br /><br />Gell-Mann’s point of view aligns itself with the Copenhagen ontologically schizophrenic position, while what I was referring to was from the distinctly divided dual ontological perspective of deBroglie-Bohm respective of decoherence. In fact Bohm was the first to have such a mechanism to be Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-72390927146246825312011-08-21T02:37:47.992-04:002011-08-21T02:37:47.992-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-34616951919830459582011-08-21T02:30:08.579-04:002011-08-21T02:30:08.579-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-77137677418435156602011-08-21T02:09:37.470-04:002011-08-21T02:09:37.470-04:00Well, I see a mind as a kind of algorithm which, l...Well, I see a mind as a kind of algorithm which, like any computer program, can be run on different kinds of computing hardware (computing substrates), hence "substrate-independent mind" (see e.g. carboncopies.org which explores the concept). Hope that makes it clear. In that view, if you copy yourself and then turn yourself off, you only lose the time between the two events. I know Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-59998638031190993712011-08-20T16:57:11.314-04:002011-08-20T16:57:11.314-04:00Is there a question of our ability to draw the bou...Is there a question of our ability to draw the boundary, to neatly clip along a given line and cleanly separate the person from their milieu then place them in another and have them be the same? Roughly, is a tractor in Iowa the same as the identical tractor on the Alto Plano?<br />I once extracted a ninety year-old man from the Oregon State Mental Hospital (One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest). Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-56001286250241915922011-08-20T12:33:11.097-04:002011-08-20T12:33:11.097-04:00The Science of Consciousness: Consciousness as a P...<a href="http://eskesthai.blogspot.com/2011/08/science-of-consciousness-consciousness.html" rel="nofollow">The Science of Consciousness: Consciousness as a Phase Shift?</a><br /><br />Ya okay...all these opinions....it still begs the question of "What makes you you?"PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-30640693778985276432011-08-20T12:06:58.274-04:002011-08-20T12:06:58.274-04:00Science of Consciousness (David Chalmers)
I know ...<a href="http://youtu.be/eX8xtUORDh4" title="An interview with David Chalmers discussing his theory of consciousness, the hard problem, and the explanatory gap." rel="nofollow">Science of Consciousness (David Chalmers)</a><br /><br />I know there are scientists here amongst our commentators. Is Chalmers speaking correcting from a scientific point of view?<br /><br />Best,PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-33416799851206131862011-08-20T11:55:52.189-04:002011-08-20T11:55:52.189-04:00@Georg: Aspirin, Organic Experiments Louis Fieser...@Georg: Aspirin, <i>Organic Experiments</i> Louis Fieser (Raytheon Education Company, 1968) p. 242.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methyl_salicylate<br />Oil of wintegreen is methyl salicylate, the methyl ester of 2-hydroxybenzoic acid. Aspirin is the phenol acetate of salicylic acid.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-Hydroxybenzoic_acid<br />"It is isomeric with Uncle Alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05056804084187606211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-11643265957957409032011-08-20T11:41:00.499-04:002011-08-20T11:41:00.499-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-56302019201306531902011-08-20T10:37:10.274-04:002011-08-20T10:37:10.274-04:00Real men make their aspirin by saponifying oil of ...<i>Real men make their aspirin by saponifying oil of wintergreen, then...</i><br /><br />Uncle Al, thats wrong.<br /><br />Wintergreen oil is para-hydoxybenzoic acid methyl ester, Aspirin is derived from salicylic acid, which is ortho-(dox)<br />:=)<br />GeorgGeorghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02538391164351204407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-40521908382360111922011-08-20T10:33:43.768-04:002011-08-20T10:33:43.768-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Georghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02538391164351204407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-23024985001704243342011-08-20T04:28:52.739-04:002011-08-20T04:28:52.739-04:00Hi Kernel,
If somebody was declared clinically de...Hi Kernel,<br /><br />If somebody was declared clinically dead and then 'came back to life' by some miracle, I wouldn't say he came back to life but wasn't dead in the first place. Best,<br /><br />B.Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.com