tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post6544275292646246711..comments2023-09-27T07:44:19.769-04:00Comments on Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: What does the American Dream mean to you?Sabine Hossenfelderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comBlogger165125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-39282582575455898522009-04-08T07:49:00.000-04:002009-04-08T07:49:00.000-04:00Phil:Replicating syntax without regard to semantic...Phil:<BR/><BR/>Replicating syntax without regard to semantics is not a truth-preserving operation. As you have shown -- although why you would bother is open to question.<BR/><BR/>But I do believe you when you say it will take you a long time to understand the semantics of what I've said.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-87790699173275074412009-04-08T06:50:00.000-04:002009-04-08T06:50:00.000-04:00Hi Anonymous,“…..the ability to kill is the abilit...Hi Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>“…..the ability to kill is the ability to prevent killing”<BR/><BR/>So therefore it should follow:<BR/><BR/>-the ability to fly is the ability to prevent flying<BR/><BR/>-the ability to learn is the ability to prevent learning<BR/><BR/>-the ability to think is the ability to prevent thinking.<BR/><BR/>So let me ponder this awhile so I might understand the wisdom of this. BePhil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-25896047935272687642009-04-07T17:35:00.000-04:002009-04-07T17:35:00.000-04:00Phil:Required, yes.Wonderful, not so much.However....Phil:<BR/><BR/>Required, yes.<BR/>Wonderful, not so much.<BR/>However...<BR/><BR/>Never forget that the ability to kill<BR/>is the ability to prevent killing.<BR/><BR/>Freedom is never given to the public.<BR/>It must be taken. And once taken,<BR/>it must be continually defended, otherwise it will be taken away.<BR/><BR/>Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-14339514075298880002009-04-07T07:08:00.000-04:002009-04-07T07:08:00.000-04:00Hi anonymous,The difference is always revealed by ...Hi anonymous,<BR/><BR/>The difference is always revealed by the purpose for which things be created. For medicine its to preserve life, for cars to provide faster transport and for firearms a more efficient and sure way to kill others then in the use of our bare hands or things that’s preceded before their invention. You may see this as a required and most wonderful improvement and if so I Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-8172912003341023012009-04-06T00:29:00.000-04:002009-04-06T00:29:00.000-04:00Phil:You keep asking, "should we be allowed to..."...Phil:<BR/><BR/>You keep asking, "should we be allowed to..." Are we children?<BR/>Are we idiots? Are we slaves?<BR/>Do we need a parent? A guardian?<BR/>A master?<BR/><BR/>It is not the function of our government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error.<BR/><BR/>-- U. S. Supreme Court Justice Robert H. Jackson, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-70722465943003725702009-04-05T23:03:00.000-04:002009-04-05T23:03:00.000-04:00Phil:You're right, there is no point in trying to ...Phil:<BR/><BR/>You're right, there is no point in trying to agree on what the figures <I>mean</I>, if we can't even agree on what the figures <I>are</I>. However, your contention that the data are irrelevant is false. By your logic, those who choose to walk face "the risk forced upon them by those who choose to own a [car]," where I have replaced the word, firearm, with the word, car, to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-42831676188132824512009-04-05T10:44:00.000-04:002009-04-05T10:44:00.000-04:00Hi Anonymous,First, I don’t accept your statistics...Hi Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>First, I don’t accept your statistics on two levels; one is in their accuracy and the other their relevancy. First, the one called deaths due to medical errors appears to be totally of a subject nature and may have more to due with being our success rate in attempting to save lives being already in jeopardy. On the other hand the one relating to traffic accidents is a Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-78624006783221756102009-04-05T10:30:00.000-04:002009-04-05T10:30:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-71695892595914821522009-04-04T22:44:00.000-04:002009-04-04T22:44:00.000-04:00Phil:To recover from all the diversions, fabricati...Phil:<BR/><BR/>To recover from all the diversions, fabrications, and emotional appeals, I will restate the issue. Once again:<BR/><BR/>Our goal is to devise a way of organizing the world that will be stable in the long term and also safeguard the freedom of the individual.<BR/><BR/>If you disagree with this goal, please say so explicitly.<BR/><BR/>Otherwise, the proposition we are debating is Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-22031425912933061702009-04-04T20:10:00.000-04:002009-04-04T20:10:00.000-04:00Phil:You sensationalize a statistically insignific...Phil:<BR/><BR/>You sensationalize a <B><I>statistically insignificant outlier</I></B> and call it an "observation." In doing so, you become party to the egregious lies used by the elite to rationalize disarming the people. Here is the truth:<BR/><BR/>1) The death rate due to medical errors is 21 times higher than that due to firearms (accidents and murders combined).<BR/><BR/>2) The death rate Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-26702935561421518902009-04-04T12:46:00.000-04:002009-04-04T12:46:00.000-04:00John G:Plato, the idea of Ponerology is that the s...<B>John G</B>:<I>Plato, the idea of Ponerology is that the system and its people become ponerized to the point where it doesn't matter a lot who the actual psychopaths are. Not everyone doing the tortures in Iraq were psychopaths but they were ponerized. Things have become so global that really the whole planet is ponerized.</I><BR/><BR/>Yes John G., I recognize what you are saying. <BR/><BR/>By PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-24032396339596810802009-04-04T12:31:00.000-04:002009-04-04T12:31:00.000-04:00Phil:So we have gone from blaming a few individual...<B>Phil</B>:<I>So we have gone from blaming a few individuals to blaming their tools, while still each of us refusing to look in the mirror to confront the true perpetrator(s).</I><BR/><BR/>On the contrary Phil, I have continually shown that the internal struggle, has it's outward appearance. A "topological expression" you might say as a toposense that one assumes, as they integrate "the senses PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-42621446564538182452009-04-04T08:31:00.000-04:002009-04-04T08:31:00.000-04:00Hi Plato,“Your comment on Warren Buffet stood out ...Hi Plato,<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>“Your comment on Warren Buffet stood out in regards to Geeks.:) The Rise of the Machines, by Richard Dooling”<BR/><BR/>So we have gone from blaming a few individuals to blaming their tools, while still each of us refusing to look in the mirror to confront the true perpetrator(s). I’ve often wondered if it ever comes to being just one person left standing if they Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-28642524702875770462009-04-04T07:24:00.000-04:002009-04-04T07:24:00.000-04:00Hi Anonymous,“It's ever so much better to have wea...Hi Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>“It's ever so much better to have weapons and not need them, than to need weapons and not have them. “<BR/><BR/>I’m sorry yet even though admittedly I'm not a scientist, I most definitely understand that <A HREF="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/04/nyregion/04hostage.html?hp" REL="nofollow">observation</A> should play a large role in what I should consider as which theory I Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-55926966546583131512009-04-04T06:59:00.000-04:002009-04-04T06:59:00.000-04:00Hi John,I just think it would be more productive i...Hi John,<BR/><BR/>I just think it would be more productive if people were as being the most concerned with what they might contribute by way of positive action, rather then being so preoccupied with those that possibly take negative action that it consumes so much of their time and focus that little positive is contributed. I find the more people are exposed to this the more they tend to be Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-2530140182775813162009-04-04T05:41:00.000-04:002009-04-04T05:41:00.000-04:00John:You are definitely on the right track. And y...John:<BR/><BR/>You are definitely on the right track. And your example of why the option to remain anonymous is essential to freedom is excellent. Just as there is a very good reason why secret ballots are secret. But you, at least, understand that.<BR/><BR/>And spreading as much knowledge as possible, as widely as possible, is vital. But knowledge is not enough. Knowledge can make men readyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-91531708139957831722009-04-04T03:24:00.000-04:002009-04-04T03:24:00.000-04:00Plato:The leaders currently holding office are not...Plato:<BR/><BR/>The leaders currently holding office are not the problem. They rarely are. It's the plutocrats who own them. The ones who move presidents and kings and armies around the globe like chess pieces. The ones who periodically collapse the economy of the world, like shaking a tree to make the ripe fruit fall into their hands. The ones to whom human life has no value unless it Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-6504004391823661702009-04-04T03:15:00.000-04:002009-04-04T03:15:00.000-04:00Phil:Human beings can be astoundingly wonderful at...Phil:<BR/><BR/>Human beings can be astoundingly wonderful at best, but we can be abysmally horrible at worst. This is obvious. It is also a <I>permanent</I> aspect of the human condition. There will be great saints and extreme sinners as long as there are people.<BR/><BR/>Therefore the system must accommodate both without collapsing, otherwise the horrible ones will tear it apart.<BR/><BR/>WhyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-56137909390635347312009-04-03T18:53:00.000-04:002009-04-03T18:53:00.000-04:00Plato, the idea of Ponerology is that the system a...Plato, the idea of Ponerology is that the system and its people become ponerized to the point where it doesn't matter a lot who the actual psychopaths are. Not everyone doing the tortures in Iraq were psychopaths but they were ponerized. Things have become so global that really the whole planet is ponerized.John Ghttp://docs.google.com/View?docid=dhspfskq_353tqfg5noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-37172195437890172222009-04-03T17:45:00.000-04:002009-04-03T17:45:00.000-04:00Phil:I remembered you poking fun at me reminding a...<B>Phil</B>:<I>I remembered you poking fun at me reminding about the pioneer days, when barn raising was the tradition where in effect your whole community were your bankers and the currency represented nothing more then a smile and a handshake.</I><BR/><BR/>Ah! If you felt I was jesting you then it is with the idea that I longed for those same ideals. I got help to raise my outcomes by Mother PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-68002265285163814142009-04-03T17:00:00.000-04:002009-04-03T17:00:00.000-04:00Hi John G,Yes thanks for reminding me. You can loo...Hi John G,<BR/><BR/>Yes thanks for reminding me. You can look at the <A HREF="http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2009/03/political-ideologies.html#c4151526562768056867" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Political-Ideologies by Bee">comment here</A>.<BR/><BR/>Part of the difficulty is for the individual person to recognize when "their will" has been usurped by some manipulative force beyond their choosing, as PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-3857056720185684062009-04-03T14:44:00.000-04:002009-04-03T14:44:00.000-04:00Phil, I'd be happy if the only information everyon...Phil, I'd be happy if the only information everyone got was the Ponerology book and discussions about the book hopefully relating it to world events. If some informant needs to be anonymous like Deep Throat was, that's OK as long as there's some public link like Woodward and Bernstein were. Certainly COINTELPRO type plants, etc. are possible and have to be part of the information gathering, John Ghttp://docs.google.com/View?docid=dhspfskq_353tqfg5noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-79865974301490654442009-04-03T07:48:00.000-04:002009-04-03T07:48:00.000-04:00Hi Anonymous,“The examples you give are extraordin...Hi Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>“The examples you give are extraordinary precisely because they are, well, extraordinary.”<BR/><BR/>Yes they are extraordinary and that is the difference between you and I, for you think we are at best ordinary while I have demonstrated time and again (especially more recently) that we are and can be extraordinary. I would go as far as extending this as proposing that at Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-91312250059204739702009-04-03T07:45:00.000-04:002009-04-03T07:45:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-26813447335383103472009-04-03T06:41:00.000-04:002009-04-03T06:41:00.000-04:00Hi Plato,“Seisachtheia is an interesting term unde...Hi Plato,<BR/><BR/>“Seisachtheia is an interesting term under the idea of property.”<BR/><BR/>I guess what you’re proposing is universal bailout, interesting yet I’m not sure it’s practical. I remember Bee having a toned down version of this, where somehow we reset all the values back to a previous point, then again how would one decide where that should be? I remembered you poking fun at Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.com