tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post6053431705455753757..comments2023-09-27T07:44:19.769-04:00Comments on Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: What can artificial intelligence do for physics? And what will it do to physics?Sabine Hossenfelderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-52814579173405520212019-12-16T21:43:30.959-05:002019-12-16T21:43:30.959-05:00Dr. A.M. Castaldo: You said: If I say think about ...Dr. A.M. Castaldo: You said: <i>If I say think about wheels, you can imagine hundreds of things that have wheels; your mental model of a wheel is connected to all of them. Spoked wheels, roulette wheels, whatever. You don't need words for that, just images count. But inevitably if you call up an image of a wheel on a car, the word "car" is going to be triggered in your mind, becauseBill Benzonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08360044945265178991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-22601938452019138892019-12-03T00:38:13.480-05:002019-12-03T00:38:13.480-05:00Pubbli, fixating on grammar and spelling lowers th...Pubbli, fixating on grammar and spelling lowers the level of debate and is petty (and you mis-spelled "grammatically" and "possessive", and wrote "English" with a lower-case "e"). ;)ErkDemon (Eric Baird)https://www.blogger.com/profile/00430413494529535159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-46911507345643987652019-12-02T23:46:20.294-05:002019-12-02T23:46:20.294-05:00Human theorists are trained by their "elders ...Human theorists are trained by their "elders and betters" to embrace or reject data, and see it as either important or irrelevant, depending on prevailing social fads and fashions. This often makes the human development of theories deeply flawed. The individuals who are good at it are few and far between, because to be a great theorist requires one to reject the teachings of previous ErkDemon (Eric Baird)https://www.blogger.com/profile/00430413494529535159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-11920785267400919722019-12-01T02:41:24.996-05:002019-12-01T02:41:24.996-05:00Hi Sabine, I'm a physicist who studied in Bolo...Hi Sabine, I'm a physicist who studied in Bologna and I'm new of this wonderful blog! I think it's right to call them "machines learning" because simply they lack the consciousness, the capability to decide "what to do". Sometimes I noticed the can simulate the behavior of a simple animal intelligence but they are now only an extension of the human brain. Anyway.. Dr. Edmondo Mazzantinihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13479050293063914331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-78314188972127828042019-11-27T15:28:24.393-05:002019-11-27T15:28:24.393-05:00I've been thinking about what algorithms will ...I've been thinking about what algorithms will do to *us*...!<br /><br />Three years ago, AlphaGo beat the worlds best player, Lee Sedol 4 games to 1 and since then people have said that the game of go is over. <br /><br />But this misconstrues what playing a game is about. Its not just about winning but enjoying playing the game. When I first came across go when I was a young teenager I Moziburhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11836761141351221660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-216126234128501862019-11-26T19:26:36.043-05:002019-11-26T19:26:36.043-05:00Dr Castaldo,
I am not saying anything at all abou...Dr Castaldo,<br /><br />I am not saying anything at all about the brain.<br /><br />I am just stating for a fact that the symbols used in computing are human artefacts. Humanly devised symbols and arrangements of symbols (e.g. words, sentences, equations, algorithms) are re-represented in a humanly devised system of zeroes and ones; and these zeroes and ones are then re-represented as electrical Lorraine Fordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00175567853773691970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-19146237200300218932019-11-26T10:35:00.752-05:002019-11-26T10:35:00.752-05:00As a scientist you care about rigour and precision...As a scientist you care about rigour and precision.<br />Yes, the usage without the possesive pronoun is widespread, but in spite of the hundreds of thousands<br />the gramatically correct form with the pronoun is preferable (quality over guantity).<br />regards.Pubbli Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12908734155063692762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-36572449106056579902019-11-26T10:04:26.256-05:002019-11-26T10:04:26.256-05:00which algorithm works for which case and how well,...which algorithm works for which case and how well, the same way they previously had to understand which theory works for which case and how well.. well saidbablooSharanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01686563743973182560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-47200516436707557412019-11-26T07:12:44.236-05:002019-11-26T07:12:44.236-05:00Lorraine Ford: Yes, you do imply that, have implie...Lorraine Ford: Yes, you do imply that, have implied it frequently, and are implying it again. You say symbols have "meaning" to human beings and cannot mean anything to computers. That implies real neurons are doing something different than circuits are, and by extension that circuits are fundamentally incapable of behaving the same as a neuron. That is false.<br /><br />It implies Dr. A.M. Castaldohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17988116835722393503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-3897159720768211412019-11-26T02:06:34.405-05:002019-11-26T02:06:34.405-05:00I Googled for "make own decisions" and f...I Googled for "make own decisions" and found like 100,000 headlines that contain the phrase, including examples like<br /><br /><a href="https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/let-pupils-make-own-decisions-over-climate-strikes-headmistress-38516605.html" rel="nofollow">Let pupils make own decisions over climate strikes</a><br /><br /><a href="https://www.medpagetoday.org/geriatrics/Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-68604127556132283142019-11-25T22:34:49.437-05:002019-11-25T22:34:49.437-05:00Thanks for replying Dr. Sabine.
It's not infor...Thanks for replying Dr. Sabine.<br />It's not information, it's (english) grammar for the adjective 'own'.<br />For example: I have own life,<br />it should say: I have my own life<br /><br />Check the online Webster dictionary.<br />Pubbli Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12908734155063692762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-12057428992002699102019-11-25T17:54:54.390-05:002019-11-25T17:54:54.390-05:00Excuse me, Dr Castaldo, did I say or imply that “h...Excuse me, Dr Castaldo, did I say or imply that “<i>human intelligence” [is] something precious and special and ineffably mysterious</i>”?; did I say or imply that “<i>supernaturalism</i>” was involved? Answer: NO, that is your own rather weird misinterpretation of what I said.<br /><br /><b>I was talking about the issue of symbolic representation</b>: how symbols, and arrangements of symbols, Lorraine Fordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00175567853773691970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-27307360353850454522019-11-25T13:57:42.817-05:002019-11-25T13:57:42.817-05:00Terry Bollinger: Thanks. What happens with martial...Terry Bollinger: Thanks. What happens with martial arts (and typing, driving, riding a bike, playing a musical instrument, etc) is not priming, but what we commonly call "muscle memory", and in actuality this is practicing something so much the brain creates special neural circuits to deal with just that task.<br /><br />I discussed this (40 years ago) with a Kung Fu instructor and Dr. A.M. Castaldohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17988116835722393503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-57103773624027968302019-11-25T12:59:35.552-05:002019-11-25T12:59:35.552-05:00Dr A.M. Castaldo: I do hope you will write more! P...Dr A.M. Castaldo: I do hope you will write more! Perhaps you could publish a book on your take on such topics? At least one fellow got a Nobel Prize in economics for talking about priming in terms of "fast thinking" (that book still delights and amuses me), so who knows, your work might have more impact than you might think.<br /><br />Regarding priming: For my AI and robotics work, I Terry Bollingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03915136249111338024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-9165955638981476782019-11-25T12:23:26.245-05:002019-11-25T12:23:26.245-05:00What information does this add to the sentence?What information does this add to the sentence?Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-82450835706344769362019-11-25T12:21:39.097-05:002019-11-25T12:21:39.097-05:00In the last sentece of this paragraph:
"This ...In the last sentece of this paragraph:<br />"This type of iterative learning is certainly one aspect of intelligence, but it leaves much wanting. The current algorithms heavily rely on humans to provide suitable input data. They do not formulate own goals."<br /><br />Shouldn't it say:<br />"They do not formulate THEIR own goals" ?Pubbli Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12908734155063692762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-39565109634771657102019-11-25T08:12:45.115-05:002019-11-25T08:12:45.115-05:00So what is qualia? What is it "like" for...So what is qualia? What is it "like" for me to see red, or you to see red?<br /><br />The word is linked in my brain to the sight and associations of "red", <b>all</b> the models it participates in as a component, from stop signs to blood to innumerable business signs to race cars and religious symbols. Far too many to enumerate, far to many to promote to my conscious Dr. A.M. Castaldohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17988116835722393503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-4518442565783529942019-11-25T08:12:09.813-05:002019-11-25T08:12:09.813-05:00Terry Bollinger: I am Anthony M; most of my career...Terry Bollinger: I am Anthony M; most of my career is unpublished work for corporate clients, I retired from that and returned to college, my only publications were related to finishing my PhD in high performance computing at UTSA in 2010, and I am co-author on an aviation engineering topic (crack growth in components due to stress) for which I invented the statistical fitting algorithm used to Dr. A.M. Castaldohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17988116835722393503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-52177786172239844862019-11-25T06:07:19.009-05:002019-11-25T06:07:19.009-05:00Lorraine says: The difference between “artificial ...Lorraine says: <i>The difference between “artificial intelligence” and living intelligence is that living things process actual information, but “artificial intelligence” processes symbolic representations of actual information. There is a huge gulf between a thing and a symbolic representation of a thing.</i><br /><br />That is patently false. The brain processes electrical signals, period. My Dr. A.M. Castaldohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17988116835722393503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-35621365582155481642019-11-25T00:22:44.591-05:002019-11-25T00:22:44.591-05:00Dr A.M. Castaldo:
As is the case whenever I encou...Dr A.M. Castaldo:<br /><br />As is the case whenever I encounter particularly intriguing expertise and analysis, I just attempted to find your research publications… to no avail, which is frankly a bit unusual, since that kind of research was part of my day job, and I'm decently good at it. Perhaps you are Anthony M. at UTA, but his publication profile is not a particularly good fit. If you Terry Bollingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03915136249111338024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-24447034063021652752019-11-24T15:28:07.551-05:002019-11-24T15:28:07.551-05:00Dr Castaldo,
Re “There is no inherent difference ...Dr Castaldo,<br /><br />Re <i>“There is no inherent difference between machine intelligence and human intelligence”</i>:<br /><br />The difference between “artificial intelligence” and living intelligence is that living things process actual information, but “artificial intelligence” processes <i>symbolic representations</i> of actual information. There is a huge gulf between a thing and a Lorraine Fordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00175567853773691970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-70150746417257372302019-11-24T07:42:30.616-05:002019-11-24T07:42:30.616-05:00Terry Bollinger: I agree, I was trying to be caref...Terry Bollinger: I agree, I was trying to be careful to say "in principle". Neither genetic algorithms, neural nets, or hybrids of these are fully mature, or even (IMO) out of childhood.<br /><br />But using childhood as a metaphor, we can often recognize quite early that a child is at times a prodigy, or at least has exceptional talent in some subject (like chess, or music, or Dr. A.M. Castaldohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17988116835722393503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-46854954049038770072019-11-24T04:13:33.781-05:002019-11-24T04:13:33.781-05:00It does seem that AI is only the latest fake news...It does seem that AI is only the latest fake news hype.<br />We had a long run of “nanotechnology”, every academic who could attach the term to their work getting air-time in search of grant money. That faded out, and there was a bit of quantum computing and three-d-printing. And now artificial intelligence, embraced by the media uncritically, without question, as the key to the future.<br />In Ishmaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05262210886135237629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-76804407052034687352019-11-24T02:27:36.588-05:002019-11-24T02:27:36.588-05:00This is an optimization of big data processing in ...This is an optimization of big data processing in the mathematical space of knowledge. Therefore, I am trying to create an artificial consciousness based on physical principles. The space of knowledge of physics is much wider than any other.Alekshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05054014048750861286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-36857814718784093452019-11-23T21:57:39.422-05:002019-11-23T21:57:39.422-05:00🆗...I guess the fancy Windows 10 emoji selection ...🆗...I guess the fancy Windows 10 emoji selection source doesn't work here.<br /><br />I gained this guessed idea by observing the odd characters <br />that appear in the post I made; these... ��<br /><br />I doubt, though, that I gained any intelligence, measurable or immeasurable...<br /><br />BTW, Lawrence, your spelling of "immesurable" is incorrect. <br /><br /> OCRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17466689097770513866noreply@blogger.com