tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post5598408849490877287..comments2023-09-27T07:44:19.769-04:00Comments on Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: You probably have no free will. But don’t worry about it. Sabine Hossenfelderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comBlogger123125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-58806797321231705302021-08-18T06:54:23.166-04:002021-08-18T06:54:23.166-04:00Tag muck,
I just want her to stop giving me schei...Tag muck,<br /><br />I just want her to stop giving me scheiße and trying to make me be responsible for stuff. XDC Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723392308309671498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-29475154207620687602021-08-18T06:07:44.374-04:002021-08-18T06:07:44.374-04:00Hi C.
Eine mögliche Antwort wäre, die Gegenfrage:
...Hi C.<br />Eine mögliche Antwort wäre, die Gegenfrage:<br />Warum denkst Du, es sei meine Aufgabe, Dir zu helfen, darüber hinweg zu kommen?muck, derhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07004195730034907920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-51136709006865913842021-08-18T03:55:40.100-04:002021-08-18T03:55:40.100-04:00@Dr. Hossenfelder, at some point you'll probab...@Dr. Hossenfelder, at some point you'll probably have non-compliant offspring flinging the age-old retort at you: 'I DIDN'T ASK TO BE BORN!'<br /><br />I've been telling my own mother for years; I said it the other day, jokingly. There's still no good answer for it. :)C Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723392308309671498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-12730573800008205642021-08-18T02:54:07.880-04:002021-08-18T02:54:07.880-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.C Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723392308309671498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-47179896692163523572021-08-18T01:46:27.053-04:002021-08-18T01:46:27.053-04:00The weeds in our garden are very non-compliant. The weeds in our garden are very non-compliant. Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-30139025507805059742021-08-17T21:50:08.102-04:002021-08-17T21:50:08.102-04:00Hi Geo
I think the first sign of will of any sort...Hi Geo<br /><br />I think the first sign of will of any sort is the ability to think of non-compliance; of saying 'no'. C Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723392308309671498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-16732143573211729562021-08-17T11:09:33.468-04:002021-08-17T11:09:33.468-04:00Rovelli’s latest book, Helgoland, brought me here....Rovelli’s latest book, Helgoland, brought me here. Recurring questions I have are, first, if I have free will, why did I not have a say in whether or not I would be born, second, if I have free will, when did it become a functioning attribute (An infant doesn’t have free will, does it?), and third, if we have free will, is it an absolute, or does it operate on a continuum?<br /><br />It is true Geohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18023200512129250375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-55595531310693202352020-08-22T09:12:34.502-04:002020-08-22T09:12:34.502-04:00Can you explain how your comment below squares wit...Can you explain how your comment below squares with determinism? How does one make decisions in a purely deterministic world? "But besides this, you still make your decisions. In fact, you cannot not make decisions. Do you want to try?"Café Zenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15332384800804513129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-25206692409678662322020-08-03T15:47:49.739-04:002020-08-03T15:47:49.739-04:00 “Free will” is just a total nonsense. If Universe... “Free will” is just a total nonsense. If Universe is governed by determinism, then “free will” has obviously no sense since everything is determined. And in a Universe totally governed by indeterminism, pure randomness, “free will” has no sense at all since nothing has a cause and thus the “will” can’t exist. So any combination of determinism and indeterminism leave no place to “free will”. So “spinozahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06398176034348984249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-81001537504015900202018-09-02T15:41:35.064-04:002018-09-02T15:41:35.064-04:00There's no difference to me between one possib...There's no difference to me between one possible future and multiple since I cannot see into my future. This is why I still have decisions to make even if the universe is determined. This may not be your physics or philosophic free will but everyday, common sense free will.PaulToppinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07314779456711848276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-59018019289015274852017-04-14T03:59:12.591-04:002017-04-14T03:59:12.591-04:00Just now coming across this interesting post.
As ...Just now coming across this interesting post.<br /><br />As has been remarked above, a lot of this discussion can already be found in Spinoza's writing from the 17th century. He too concluded that having no "free will" in the common, vague, sense does not absolve anyone from moral responsibility for her or his actions.<br /><br />The best metaphor I have encountered is one about Rob van Son (Not a physicist, just an amateur)https://www.blogger.com/profile/12611755507524401026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-21535619371538561882017-04-13T20:19:20.909-04:002017-04-13T20:19:20.909-04:00In reading the critical comments, I wonder if a di...In reading the critical comments, I wonder if a differing word choice (uh-oh) might soften the (perceived) blow to free will:<br /><br />The future is not made, it is discovered.<br /><br />No one need feel deprived of something to do--we're free, if you will, to go discover the future!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-48163592481067616812016-09-08T12:24:30.633-04:002016-09-08T12:24:30.633-04:00Action Potential,
The only reason I am passing th...Action Potential,<br /><br />The only reason I am passing through your comment is that you exemplify all the logical mistakes that I pointed out. Evidently you weren't able to understand the carefully laid-out argument in my blogpost, otherwise you wouldn't make such nonsensical statements as that people cannot make choices when they don't have free will. They not only can, they have Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-81806242837929997922016-09-08T11:32:02.553-04:002016-09-08T11:32:02.553-04:00Well, not a very impressive article when read to t...Well, not a very impressive article when read to the end. You have not properly understood the implications of lack of free will on moral responsibility or humanity in general.<br />If there is no free will, it means when someone commits a crime, he didn't do that out of free will i.e, the act of crime was predetermined by natural laws and therefore he cannot be held morally responsible.<br Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10617844126564682698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-49453558236666812922016-04-05T12:03:48.131-04:002016-04-05T12:03:48.131-04:00Very nice article. The ideas are expressed very cl...Very nice article. The ideas are expressed very clearly.SABhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08631699988535315971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-8861783658281034632015-11-09T12:44:32.181-05:002015-11-09T12:44:32.181-05:00'Choice' is just a convenience of language...'Choice' is just a convenience of language as I see it. Consciousness itself, as I see it, is simply an amalgamation of senses and memory (the recording of those senses). The very idea of consciousness being an agent therefore cannot exist.<br />The concept of 'Free Will' or its absence seems irrelevant further, as time only occurs as one event; there is only one choice by the Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09588636308313767471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-6685374814755432542015-05-11T15:05:28.167-04:002015-05-11T15:05:28.167-04:00How do you guys just talk about this like it doesn...How do you guys just talk about this like it doesn't matter? Don't get me wrong, I am the one with the problem here.<br /><br />How do you think this without slipping away into the void?larethihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17400620318560810658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-39059087354378120182014-11-10T07:48:10.323-05:002014-11-10T07:48:10.323-05:00"And the often raised concern about moral haz..."And the often raised concern about moral hazard is plainly a red herring. There’s this idea that if people had no free will “they” could not be made responsible for their decisions. Scare quotes because this suggests there are two different parts of a person, one making a decision and the other one, blameless, not being able to affect that decision. People who commit crimes cause pain to Chastity White Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17584399790745891849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-62469672810573225462014-05-03T18:17:57.503-04:002014-05-03T18:17:57.503-04:00If we have no free will, why do we perceive that w...If we have no free will, why do we perceive that we do?<br /><br />And in that case, why do we perceive at all and what exactly do we mean by 'we'? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06791494415310906027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-51124439432985735462014-04-14T00:33:09.016-04:002014-04-14T00:33:09.016-04:00Well, what if DNA has something to do with wigglin...Well, what if DNA has something to do with wiggling out of the block universe rigidity, giving rise to consciousness, which tend is tied to an ability to have free will, choice, or intentional volition over one's environment?<br /><br />Even though there is the block universe argument, billions of years were put into refining DNA, the cell, the genome, and the abilities of humans in their Dennis Francis Blewetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13147566123363385821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-69204367267705358732014-02-22T15:28:18.415-05:002014-02-22T15:28:18.415-05:00I think that the fact that "I have free will&...I think that the fact that "I have free will" is axiomatically obvious. Only slightly less so than the fact that "I exist".<br />Michael Mansberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02239950275237445121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-50717855012099179422014-02-22T12:19:29.177-05:002014-02-22T12:19:29.177-05:00Appreciate Sabine's approach.
Envy her.
Unde...Appreciate Sabine's approach.<br /><br />Envy her.<br /><br />Under any label "free will" encompasses, not even minimum requirements to meet demands of/from this unknown have been established.<br /><br />She attempted this. This puts her ahead of the game all free will proponents of this unknown want to play.<br /><br />Bravo.<br /><br />In fact the minimum requirements from the hushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16176588791118304829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-67483364083232799562014-02-07T20:29:10.297-05:002014-02-07T20:29:10.297-05:00We can't know anything other than that when we...We can't know anything other than that when we do certain things we call experiments it produces certain observable results. Then we can extrapolate theories to make predictions.<br /><br />Even if we had free will that would still be doable.<br /><br />Take the instrumentalist view, that science and the descriptions it yields are just tools that we use and we can't actually determine Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14221463479181303504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-80584398567399274062013-12-09T18:29:41.759-05:002013-12-09T18:29:41.759-05:00Allah Gold said:"If in fact free will does no... Allah Gold said:"If in fact free will does not exist, and there is only one future, then please explain the purpose of science, exploration, human curiosity and most specifically the reason for life's existence into your theory."<br />Of course, there is no purpose. Purpose is only illusion. However, there is cause and effect: doing science does satisfy many human needs, and it Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10564396570609113371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-79280965894516737962013-10-09T11:00:23.333-04:002013-10-09T11:00:23.333-04:00I would love to hear your take on Jonathan Edwards...I would love to hear your take on Jonathan Edwards' <i>Freedom of the Will</i>.Rob Steelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09232124026732892112noreply@blogger.com