tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post4284145503910586922..comments2023-09-27T07:44:19.769-04:00Comments on Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: Logical FallaciesSabine Hossenfelderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-37727575387500240902008-05-04T10:48:00.000-04:002008-05-04T10:48:00.000-04:00It was the 2004 U.S. Presidential election that ra...It was the 2004 U.S. Presidential election that raised the straw man argument into my consciousness. I noticed the preface "some people say" on one TV network in particular - enough times to wonder "who are these 'some people' that 'say' (x)?" <BR/><BR/>It's been interesting to me ever since!Skepticalihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11491725012753678802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-15378225053201999962008-05-04T06:57:00.000-04:002008-05-04T06:57:00.000-04:00Since "logic" underpins a much bigger ensemble of ...Since "logic" <A HREF="http://brainwashcafe.blogspot.com/2007/02/good-logic-vs-bad-logistics.html" REL="nofollow">underpins a much bigger ensemble of systems</A> than its usage in common language usually assumes, so does Logical fallacy.<BR/><BR/>Logical fallacy usually refers to a fallacy within propositional logic.<BR/>Fair enough, but there is more to the world than propositional logic. If lunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13611677760513109481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-46749564712654894712008-05-02T19:39:00.000-04:002008-05-02T19:39:00.000-04:00This belongs here also:Always remember that a fall...This belongs here also:<BR/><BR/>Always remember that a fallacious argument doesn't have to lead to false conclusions. (Thinking it does might be called "the fallacy in reverse.") It is just unreliable, such that if true, it is a lucky coincidence. For example, consider a dog thinking: "I have four legs, dogs have four legs, therefore I am a dog." Well, he got it right that time, but a cat using Neil Bateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04564859009749481136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-86789704377958314262008-05-02T18:41:00.000-04:002008-05-02T18:41:00.000-04:00I do not dare point fingers anywhere to show areas...I do not dare point fingers anywhere to show areas where I think aspects of this were to be considered.:)<BR/><BR/>But some of you would know that by a certain ideals toward censorship, such opinions would not be highly regarded if I said them myself:) So what logic is being used to make my point?<BR/><BR/>Here are some pointers that one might like to consider in the greater context of debates PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-50281379871344476062008-05-02T18:23:00.000-04:002008-05-02T18:23:00.000-04:00I thought of the movie, The Great Debators.This ha...I thought of the movie, <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Debaters" REL="nofollow">The Great Debators</A>.<BR/><BR/>This has given me some food for thought, as well contributing to some incubation in regards to "rhetoric of the ancient ones."<BR/><BR/> This goes to the idea of what is self evident, and what induction/deduction plays in that exchange? Where one would like it to go? <PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-20863759638809759542008-05-02T14:56:00.000-04:002008-05-02T14:56:00.000-04:00Dear Stefan,It's not generally a 'problem' involvi...Dear Stefan,<BR/><BR/>It's not generally a 'problem' involving the person presenting it, just if you use it for the argument if it isn't of relevance. In some cases this might be relevant. E.g. many people like to argue with personal experience, which shouldn't be dismissed. Like, if you claim 'Nobody does X' and somebody says 'Well, I do!', that's certainly an argument ;-) An example for what I Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-31219385460539819942008-05-02T09:29:00.000-04:002008-05-02T09:29:00.000-04:00Dear Bee,thanks for the pointer - the "straw man" ...Dear Bee,<BR/><BR/>thanks for the pointer - the "straw man" and "weak man" are ideed used quite often. And I wasn't aware that any argumentation involving the person presenting a point counts as "ad hominem". But then, taking into account who is making a certain argument can be quite important for a critical evaluation - and I think the same holds for the "from authority" technique. <BR/><BR/>I stefanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09495628046446378453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-65184914594929754242008-05-01T17:20:00.000-04:002008-05-01T17:20:00.000-04:00Logical fallacies are singularly one of the most i...Logical fallacies are singularly one of the most important and one of the most confusing things I have attempted to apply to real life situations. Each time I think about things with these in mind, I generally make things clearer to myself.<BR/><BR/>http://www.fallacyfiles.org/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-79071332315424255042008-05-01T16:14:00.000-04:002008-05-01T16:14:00.000-04:00I've seen plenty use the "Argument from authority"...I've seen plenty use the "Argument from authority" on various blogs and comments.Rae Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10239791074376508016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-90683193654498762642008-05-01T15:50:00.000-04:002008-05-01T15:50:00.000-04:00Hi Bee, Do you know this page?http://www.nizkor.or...Hi Bee, <BR/><BR/>Do you know this page?<BR/><BR/>http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/<BR/><BR/>FlavioAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com