tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post4066920406576036988..comments2023-09-27T07:44:19.769-04:00Comments on Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: Science should be more like religionSabine Hossenfelderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comBlogger67125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-44758239369016556292019-10-18T00:35:24.821-04:002019-10-18T00:35:24.821-04:006 years later... I understand what you are saying ...6 years later... I understand what you are saying Brian and have made this point myself. I would say that babies are ignorant (unaware or without knowledge) of the topic and so can't be atheist, agnostic, theists or anything. I think the word "ignorant" covers it but maybe someone has a better word.marcsdesign66https://www.blogger.com/profile/13655964984885297977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-25115779249254285922018-11-25T15:46:54.028-05:002018-11-25T15:46:54.028-05:00I have read many of the comments and Sabine's ...I have read many of the comments and Sabine's answers. I am very interested in modern physics and also cosmology. I am a Christian, but my faith is founded on what science has come up with the last 100 years.And I will say Christianity has MUCH to deal with there. Not so much to skip things in the Bible (Old Testamony), but to view the Bible through the light of what science now knows - AND Gudmundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07822664856599247325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-16343153603505057312013-08-27T11:06:38.349-04:002013-08-27T11:06:38.349-04:00You should watch this amazing Feynman video, more ...You should watch this amazing Feynman video, more or less what you say about "love as oxytocin" and the view of science and religion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRmbwczTC6E.<br /><br />MartinoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-34916676508553411452013-08-19T13:02:31.272-04:002013-08-19T13:02:31.272-04:00Why ask science to do the work of religion? The ...Why ask science to do the work of religion? The limitation of scientific knowledge to observable, reproducible phenomena is what makes it special. If we stretch it beyond that then we're just putting a scientific skin on religion. Personally, I don't want science to be more like religion, or religion to be more like science. I wish science to be done with integrity, rigor, and Michael F. Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15279501532684851571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-41935308833365257262013-07-01T21:27:16.676-04:002013-07-01T21:27:16.676-04:00Another excellent post. I've said this before ...Another excellent post. I've said this before so I'm going to stop saying it after this: you've become a very good essayist in English (not just because it is difficult to tell that English is not your native language).<br /><br />The difficulty with getting everyone to love science is of course that the average IQ is just 100. I am not saying that IQ is an accurate measure of JimVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10198704789965278981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-83631573688187471882013-06-29T23:11:16.846-04:002013-06-29T23:11:16.846-04:00We may be born atheists, but we are born with a br...We may be born atheists, but we are born with a brain capable of experiencing transcendence. Some argue that this is a function of our large neocortex, possibly an outgrowth of our being predators and needing to understand the minds of our prey, our peers, and every other god damned thing including the "gods". It's a lot like place and time neurons. Pure reason isn't enough. OurKaleberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05283840743310507878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-3372283248591298872013-06-28T14:13:43.697-04:002013-06-28T14:13:43.697-04:00One problem with trying to replace religion with s...One problem with trying to replace religion with science is that the scientific truth may actually be toxic to human minds. This was Lovecraft’s great insight when he wrote:<br /><br />“We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07684087491581004675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-15202698063860212902013-06-28T11:43:43.781-04:002013-06-28T11:43:43.781-04:00I don't know, Bee. I can't see how scienc...I don't know, Bee. I can't see how science could survive as a rationalist enterprise if it were more like religion. Is there such a thing as a rational religion? -- the closest I can think of is Buddhism, and most think of Buddhism as philosophy, not religion.<br /><br />Einstein's "cosmic religion" was based on Spinoza's writings, and Spinoza's Deism can hardly bet h rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00150085167540063914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-79475736385201059802013-06-27T14:25:29.258-04:002013-06-27T14:25:29.258-04:00Well, I thought it should be obvious to anybody wh...Well, I thought it should be obvious to anybody who has followed this blog for a while. But you're right of course, in general it's not. Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-57808492478130525562013-06-27T13:18:28.567-04:002013-06-27T13:18:28.567-04:00"To state the obvious, I'm German by birt...<i>"To state the obvious, I'm German by birth, not by choice."</i><br /><br />Not obvious. By the way, I'm German by choice, not by birth.<br />Phillip Helbighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12067585245603436809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-26157881729987714552013-06-27T05:32:49.653-04:002013-06-27T05:32:49.653-04:00I'm surprised noone mentioned the Warhammer 40...I'm surprised noone mentioned the Warhammer 40K universe in this comment thread. ;)Ja jeg har læst vilkårene for brug og ønsker at gå i gang med "google grupper"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02179155143470695220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-58615007860136437672013-06-27T04:23:08.294-04:002013-06-27T04:23:08.294-04:00Giotis, Eric,
Let's not over-analyze single w...Giotis, Eric,<br /><br />Let's not over-analyze single words. We've spent time together on this blog for some while, and I tend to believe that by and large you're both nice and reasonable, and I can take the one or other cheap shot. I'm arguably German, though people tend to be disappointed or confused about my German-ness. To state the obvious, I'm German by birth, not by Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-65947638690399843502013-06-25T20:00:40.772-04:002013-06-25T20:00:40.772-04:00Tell the truth : Science is done by gangsters, an...Tell the truth : Science is done by gangsters, and promoted as a pristine endeavor to attract support. You have to go along, or perish.<br /><br />And Berkeleyism - I could go on and on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-11421056258089731872013-06-25T19:30:17.056-04:002013-06-25T19:30:17.056-04:00You would not need Mithras, although "cutting...You would not need Mithras, although "cutting the bull" image is appealing. Any scientifically heroic person that would inspire people could be used: Aristotle, or Archimedes, or Hypatia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-12881145012594513422013-06-25T18:34:54.273-04:002013-06-25T18:34:54.273-04:00Because the culture of Science is at times quite l...Because the culture of Science is at times quite low, in terms of behavior, and positive social impact, .... perhaps a Mithraic aspect is missing, that would ensure better conduct. As it stads today, the only "code" seems to be a sort of Bolshevism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-58980815127586575732013-06-25T18:15:40.405-04:002013-06-25T18:15:40.405-04:00"Scientists simply do not need religion"..."Scientists simply do not need religion"<br /><br />If you have ever had your paper stolen, or watched a person plagiarize one article after another to increase their paper count, or seen misuses of public money used to bribe people to give people degrees and positions ... you might then think they need something. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-57814239287018465272013-06-25T16:41:21.896-04:002013-06-25T16:41:21.896-04:00I should add that I thought Bee's response to ...I should add that I thought Bee's response to me was very reasonable and polite. On a personal level, (as much as personal means as a reader of Bee's blog), I like Bee very much. She seems like a warm human being to me. Perhaps that's why it's so distressing to me for her to team up with someone like Motl. Perhaps if I didn't think so highly of her in other ways it would not Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08213251864943443334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-55351092607181336072013-06-25T16:14:20.720-04:002013-06-25T16:14:20.720-04:00Giotis, it was not a cheap shot. Lubos is the king...Giotis, it was not a cheap shot. Lubos is the king of cheap shots. Everyone knows that. One is known by the company they keep, including you. But you are not the director of this blog, Bee is.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08213251864943443334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-10342828662417639962013-06-25T15:04:19.402-04:002013-06-25T15:04:19.402-04:00It’s not a coincidence that all human societies th...It’s not a coincidence that all human societies throughout history developed some kind of religion with more or less the same typical characteristics.<br /><br />The right question to ask someone is not if he believes that God exists but if he wants God to exist.<br /> <br />People were thrown into the world and are tragic figures. They believe because they need to pray to something big, Giotishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03594944884584261018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-46336134893792927732013-06-25T12:28:02.683-04:002013-06-25T12:28:02.683-04:00In regards to Sean's atheistically valuations,...In regards to Sean's atheistically valuations, it is more in my view about "humanistic values?" Which is more of a sign that a secular religion alone does not need to hold, while he readily recognizing the stance science plays in his life. One can still strive to be a good person without religion and the need for a belief in God. Hold gatherings to talk about the science. I do not PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-33516926601981239412013-06-25T10:43:41.581-04:002013-06-25T10:43:41.581-04:00@Giotis: I disagree. While not as big a problem a...@Giotis: I disagree. While not as big a problem as it is in the States, religion still has too much influence in Europe. Just because it is better here than elsewhere doesn't mean we should stop trying to make it better.<br /><br />Phillip Helbighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12067585245603436809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-42478131367446159512013-06-25T09:27:11.967-04:002013-06-25T09:27:11.967-04:00To the extent religion is about explanation of the...To the extent religion is about explanation of the world, science provides better explanations where explanations are available, and science also knows the limit of its explanations. As an example of what I mean, science tells us that the radii of planetary orbits around the Sun do not arise from any fundamental law or design, but from a complicated history of the gravitational accretion that Arunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03451666670728177970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-33883995296135640742013-06-25T07:26:29.465-04:002013-06-25T07:26:29.465-04:00"He seems to equate the good in religion to t..."He seems to equate the good in religion to the freedom to burn people at the stake for heresy. He says this is "freedom". Is this what you find as his good points, Bee? How very German of you."<br /><br />Eric that was a cheap shot and Sabine does not deserve such comments, really...<br /><br />Giotishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03594944884584261018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-14711604867809660202013-06-25T07:21:24.970-04:002013-06-25T07:21:24.970-04:00I agree with Christine and especially with uair01....I agree with Christine and especially with uair01. This a debate confined in US. European societies are much more mature and such tensions between religion and science do not exist; these kind of problems have been solved silently in Europe during the last couple of centuries. There is no contradiction for a scientist to believe in God and nobody cares. It's so old fashioned to pay attention Giotishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03594944884584261018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-91688114918605964082013-06-25T06:23:56.304-04:002013-06-25T06:23:56.304-04:00/* Science should be more like religion */
The i.../* Science should be more like religion */<br /><br />The individual branches of science exhibit many aspects of close-minded sectarian groups already. I seriously don't know, how these traits could be enforced without complete loss of connection with physical reality.Zephirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06010623752049244967noreply@blogger.com