tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post1795173779321227998..comments2023-09-27T07:44:19.769-04:00Comments on Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: Science is a WorldviewSabine Hossenfelderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comBlogger117125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-74787525403981250432008-10-10T14:39:00.000-04:002008-10-10T14:39:00.000-04:00Hi Anonymous,No, I didn't read it. I had nothing t...Hi Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>No, I didn't read it. I had nothing to say about it anyway, it's not a field I did work in, do work in, or plan to work in. Best,<BR/><BR/>B.Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-17585977968111420152008-10-10T14:27:00.000-04:002008-10-10T14:27:00.000-04:00Bee,Off-topic but important: Lubos recently poste...Bee,<BR/><BR/>Off-topic but important: Lubos recently posted an article "why canonical GR cannot work". His arguments againt loop quantum gravity ( LQG) sounded pretty convincing. Have you read it? Do you have a response or counter-argument? Just curious.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-84125837534218016472008-09-22T07:46:00.000-04:002008-09-22T07:46:00.000-04:00Hi Tumbledried,Well, thanks for your comments beca...Hi Tumbledried,<BR/><BR/>Well, thanks for your comments because that's the kind of discussion I was actually hoping to initiate...<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.slac.stanford.edu/spires/" REL="nofollow">SPIRES</A> has a pretty good search function that does most of what you ask for. I guess though most other areas of science are somewhat lagging behind, but that is likely to happen at some point. Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-61626966056927017152008-09-22T07:33:00.000-04:002008-09-22T07:33:00.000-04:00Thanks for writing back Bee!Bee wrote:"These are a...Thanks for writing back Bee!<BR/><BR/>Bee wrote:<BR/><BR/>"These are all interesting points that were also discussed at the conference. As to (i) and (ii), I don't think neither Google pagerank nor some sort of 'collective intelligence' are good quality measures appropriate for scientific research."<BR/><BR/>Oh, certainly I did not pretend that they would be necessarily good quality measures - Tumbledriedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16241184018261772902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-28328773869030857942008-09-20T09:09:00.000-04:002008-09-20T09:09:00.000-04:00Ask yourself what would have been different had Be...<I>Ask yourself what would have been different had Bee not invited Lisi to PI</I><BR/><BR/>Hi Bee, <BR/><BR/>If I knew beforehand of all the "trouble" you would have only because you invited Lisi to PI, I would have accepted your invitation first! :)<BR/><BR/>At least, the lights are not on me (fortunately, I'd say)...<BR/><BR/>Since the details are being "disclosed" due to presumptions by Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-83659026790838865632008-09-20T04:50:00.000-04:002008-09-20T04:50:00.000-04:00Sorry Bee, i didn't read the entire thread. Again ...Sorry Bee, i didn't read the entire thread. Again your answer explains a lot of things. <BR/><BR/>BRAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-77239022229225735672008-09-20T04:24:00.000-04:002008-09-20T04:24:00.000-04:00Hi Bee,Thanks for sharing that, and yes it does pu...Hi Bee,<BR/>Thanks for sharing that, and yes it does put a different light on things.<BR/>Personally I have very little desire to start up the arguments about that saga again though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-82850694025660103352008-09-20T04:11:00.000-04:002008-09-20T04:11:00.000-04:00Hi Giotis,As I mentioned above, this sentence was ...Hi Giotis,<BR/><BR/>As I mentioned above, this sentence was of course not the only thing I told the NewScientist journalist, it was just the only words I was quoted with. What I told them in toto was pretty much what I also wrote in my post on Garrett's paper, including what I said in the comments there. In fact I even send her the link to that post for further reference. I don't know according Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-5861623029622713632008-09-20T04:00:00.000-04:002008-09-20T04:00:00.000-04:00Hi Bee,Nice to hear that explanation. I was too ve...Hi Bee,<BR/><BR/>Nice to hear that explanation. I was too very surprised when I read Smolin's statement. But i found your statement also a bit vague. It's like saying gauge Yang-Mills theories have a connection and we can define a covariant derivative. GR also has a connection and we can define a covariant derivative. Is this a coincidence? Without any reference to the background and the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-44031532773562900862008-09-20T03:04:00.000-04:002008-09-20T03:04:00.000-04:00Hi Amused, Hi Phenomenologist,I can't believe this...Hi Amused, Hi Phenomenologist,<BR/><BR/>I can't believe this stupid quotation by Lee is still hanging in the air. So maybe let me fill in some details you might not know about: Garrett had spoken to the NewScientist journalist before he was at PI and the article was already in preparation when he was visiting. His talk at PI had nothing to do with the following article. As far at I know the Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-13750923501292032632008-09-20T01:19:00.000-04:002008-09-20T01:19:00.000-04:00Hi Phenomenologist,Sorry, I can't be bothered to a...Hi Phenomenologist,<BR/><BR/>Sorry, I can't be bothered to answer your question.<BR/><BR/>"Let me reiterate: the alleged pressure to publish a lot does not discriminate between peer reviewed and non-peer reviewed publications."<BR/><BR/>It certainly does! I am sure hiring committees attach almost zero weight to the number of conference proceedings someone has written. Otherwise they would be Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-23167520741446852832008-09-19T23:39:00.000-04:002008-09-19T23:39:00.000-04:00Hi amused,"Take it easy, it was a joke!Glad to see...Hi amused,<BR/><BR/>"Take it easy, it was a joke!<BR/>Glad to see it got a reaction though :-)"<BR/><BR/>All right, since I assume always the best from the commenters on this blog, I do believe you that you were only joking. In this case I retract my accusation that you are driven by tribal thinking.<BR/><BR/>However, let me point out that these kinds of jokes are easy to misunderstand especiallyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-55037596918446937162008-09-19T23:25:00.000-04:002008-09-19T23:25:00.000-04:00Hi amused,You did not answer the question: do you ...Hi amused,<BR/><BR/>You did not answer the question: do you seriously believe that if researchers would publish less peer reviewed articles and would publish a conference proceeding or talk write-up every week the complainers who are complaining about unnaturally high number of publications and the corresponding pressure, would stop complaining?<BR/><BR/>Let me reiterate: the alleged pressure to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-77605823963709472002008-09-19T21:41:00.000-04:002008-09-19T21:41:00.000-04:00Hi Phenomenologist,"Or should I take your comment ...Hi Phenomenologist,<BR/><BR/>"Or should I take your comment to mean that the peer reviewed publications are the real thing whereas talk write-ups and conference proceedings are just something on the side?"<BR/><BR/>Yes<BR/><BR/>"Then why bother writing these?"<BR/><BR/>I guess people think it is nice to have a written summary of what was presented at the conference. These can be useful sometimes,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-39340896226202277652008-09-19T15:59:00.000-04:002008-09-19T15:59:00.000-04:00Hi Phenomenologist,You make an amazing effort to m...Hi Phenomenologist,<BR/><BR/>You make an amazing effort to misinterpret every second sentence that I write. Why?<BR/><BR/><I>According to spires these are your most highly cited papers (50+) please point out to me which ones are not about black holes and colliders.</I><BR/><BR/>The paper 'Collider Signatures in the Planck Regime' is not about black holes and colliders. You probably made a full Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-92180463642602739262008-09-19T12:37:00.000-04:002008-09-19T12:37:00.000-04:00Hi Bee,"PS: My husband pointed out that your above...Hi Bee,<BR/><BR/>"PS: My husband pointed out that your above claim my 3 topcited papers are all about Black Holes at the LHC is also wrong."<BR/><BR/>I did not claim that they are about black holes at the LHC. I said they are about black holes and colliders. Here they are:<BR/><BR/>Collider signatures in the Planck regime.<BR/><BR/>Black hole production in large extra dimensions at the Tevatron: Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-9655613019792489512008-09-19T11:57:00.000-04:002008-09-19T11:57:00.000-04:00Hi Tumbledried,These are all interesting points th...Hi Tumbledried,<BR/><BR/>These are all interesting points that were also discussed at the conference. As to (i) and (ii), I don't think neither Google pagerank nor some sort of 'collective intelligence' are good quality measures appropriate for scientific research. If you allow rating on arxiv papers by literally everyone (as you seem to suggest with the wiki), then what kind of a rating would Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-4245830880467348062008-09-19T06:47:00.000-04:002008-09-19T06:47:00.000-04:00Hi Bee,It seems that anonymity is very dear to som...Hi Bee,<BR/><BR/>It seems that anonymity is very dear to some, as has been expressed in the many rebuttals of what you and I have said. My main purpose was to raise what was said by Smolin in his talk and how I agree this is totally required in the communication between professionals in a discipline regardless of venue. In that most of what was said in its defense amounts to not much more then Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-70516952370381523572008-09-19T05:03:00.000-04:002008-09-19T05:03:00.000-04:00PS: My husband pointed out that your above claim m...PS: My husband pointed out that your above claim my 3 topcited papers are all about Black Holes at the LHC is also wrong.Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-55636788500658368442008-09-19T04:56:00.000-04:002008-09-19T04:56:00.000-04:00Hi Phenomenologist,I must assume that anonymous co...Hi Phenomenologist,<BR/><BR/><I>I must assume that anonymous comments do exist for her despite the fact that she just mentioned the opposite a couple of posts ago</I><BR/><BR/>You are once again putting words in my mouth I never said. I already explained above what I said instead was that I don't care about opinions of anonymous commenters.<BR/><BR/>You are futher accusing me of some 'tribal Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-41626621947433700672008-09-19T04:26:00.000-04:002008-09-19T04:26:00.000-04:00Hi amused,"Obviously, the relevant result is found...Hi amused,<BR/><BR/>"Obviously, the relevant result is found not simply by taking the total number from Spires but by counting only the number of research articles (as opposed to conf. proceedings etc; note that you need to do this manually)."<BR/><BR/>You say 'obviously' but this is not obvious to me at all, in fact the opposite is true in my view. When people (e.g. Bee) complain about too much Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-8688578335188535992008-09-18T18:40:00.000-04:002008-09-18T18:40:00.000-04:00Bee wrote:"Giotis, Tumbledried, I think you didn't...Bee wrote:<BR/><BR/>"Giotis, Tumbledried, I think you didn't quite get the main point of what I tried to say. The point is we're living today in a world with an overabundance of information... Attention is precious and input needs to be filtered [...<BR/><BR/>...] The reason for that is eventually, that the topics in scientific research are getting more and more complex. It is simply no longer Tumbledriedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16241184018261772902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-3363904042537581692008-09-18T16:44:00.000-04:002008-09-18T16:44:00.000-04:00Science is a World View....hmmmmmmI thought this r...Science is a World View....hmmmmmm<BR/><BR/>I thought this really funny below.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2007/11/anonymity.html#c5224664368335542624" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Anonymity-By Bee on Wednesday, November 14, 2007">Bee Said</A>:<I>Well, Quasar is actually Ed Witten, asking all the question he'd otherwise never dare to. Island is really Don Page, Klaus is PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-75399972153421537972008-09-18T15:54:00.000-04:002008-09-18T15:54:00.000-04:00Bee said: “you don't seem to be aware that what yo...Bee said: “you don't seem to be aware that what you find on the web doesn't give you any clue whatsoever about the internal organization of research institutes, it's something people don't blog about because most of it is confidential”.<BR/><BR/>Ah, finally something less trivial than mainstream “positive” generalities! It appears thus that the latter serve only to hide truly important but “Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-24338163587911659482008-09-18T13:45:00.000-04:002008-09-18T13:45:00.000-04:00Hi Amused,Thanks. I actually found this part of th...Hi Amused,<BR/><BR/>Thanks. I actually found this part of the conversation particularly amusing :-) <A HREF="http://www.prime-spot.de/Physics/cv08.pdf" REL="nofollow">My CV</A> has a breakdown into publications and proceedings, just in case anybody really cares. Best,<BR/><BR/>B.Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.com