tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post1533620788105144851..comments2023-09-27T07:44:19.769-04:00Comments on Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: Sense About ScienceSabine Hossenfelderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-76246683667905378042008-01-30T12:47:00.000-05:002008-01-30T12:47:00.000-05:00Hi Bee,just to let you know there is a new additio...Hi Bee,<BR/><BR/>just to let you know there is a new addition on the discussion at<BR/>http://www.randform.org/blog/?p=1657<BR/><BR/>bye nadAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-44330071818497969282008-01-14T15:25:00.000-05:002008-01-14T15:25:00.000-05:00Via "Make your own debate" at Steinn Sigurðsson's ...Via "<A HREF="http://scienceblogs.com/catdynamics/2008/01/make_your_own_debate.php" REL="nofollow">Make your own debate</A>" at Steinn Sigurðsson's Dynamics of Cats (<I>that</I> post actually is a case in point to the awsome <A HREF="http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2008/01/spirits-that-we-called.html" REL="nofollow">The Spirits that We Called</A> post), here is a link to a similar initiative in stefanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09495628046446378453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-62703415158164469102008-01-14T00:37:00.000-05:002008-01-14T00:37:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-22984668204479333752008-01-14T00:27:00.000-05:002008-01-14T00:27:00.000-05:00Phil:Plato, could you quote the source so I might ...<B>Phil</B>:<I>Plato, could you quote the source so I might at least evaluate the context.</I><BR/><BR/>I usually link the quotes. Anyway I've provided the source with another quote. You can go down the page to the Einstein/Bohr debate image.<BR/><BR/>Keeping the historical in perspective is important. Mouse over Quote.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.aip.org/history/einstein/quantum1.htm#ae63" REL=PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-78086617110612487162008-01-13T19:29:00.000-05:002008-01-13T19:29:00.000-05:00A quantum computer, perhaps with "preexisting" man...A quantum computer, perhaps with "preexisting" many-worlds playing the part of Bohm's hidden variables plus some GRW, etc.-like mechanisms for decohered "thoughts".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-68424385863852209972008-01-13T17:30:00.000-05:002008-01-13T17:30:00.000-05:00Right, it’s deep, and I agree with those who think...Right, it’s deep, and I agree with those who think we still haven’t solved Schrodinger’s Cat and the “collapse of the wave function.” I have seen descriptions/explanations of “decoherence” various places, and they always use a fundamentally circular argument (a complaint that cannot be brushed off by appeals to the deeper finery of a particular argument.) The Art Deco always references density Neil Bateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04564859009749481136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-63065975278675259182008-01-13T15:37:00.000-05:002008-01-13T15:37:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Neil Bateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04564859009749481136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-56558807424137961802008-01-13T08:13:00.000-05:002008-01-13T08:13:00.000-05:00Plato,"Not often in life has a man given me so muc...Plato,<BR/><BR/>"Not often in life has a man given me so much happiness by his mere presence as you have done," Einstein wrote to Bohr. "I have learned much from you, mainly from your sensitive approach to scientific problems."<BR/><BR/>Plato, could you quote the source so I might at least evaluate the context. I have read much of Einstein and from my knowledge of his position I would expect he Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-10587200005423978462008-01-12T20:33:00.000-05:002008-01-12T20:33:00.000-05:00For example:A number of scientists have published ...For example:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afshar_experiment" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Experimental setup and Afshar's interpretation">A number of scientists have published criticisms of Afshar's interpretation of his results. While united in their rejection of Afshar, in many cases they explicitly disagree among themselves as to why he is wrong.</A><BR/><BR/>Would google's PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-43540824611564424222008-01-12T20:09:00.000-05:002008-01-12T20:09:00.000-05:00"Not often in life has a man given me so much happ...<I>"Not often in life has a man given me so much happiness by his mere presence as you have done," Einstein wrote to Bohr. "I have learned much from you, mainly from your sensitive approach to scientific problems."</I> <BR/><BR/><B>Phil writes</B>:<I>Google is information prioritized and mitigated by a referee that constitute to be an algorithm. The former reflects humanity as it is and the laterPlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-56879886829753492902008-01-12T19:17:00.000-05:002008-01-12T19:17:00.000-05:00Thanks Bee for the clarifications. I appreciate it...Thanks Bee for the clarifications. I appreciate it.PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-55677695512558234882008-01-12T16:00:00.000-05:002008-01-12T16:00:00.000-05:00Wikipedia is information prioritized by human cons...Wikipedia is information prioritized by human consensus and mitigated by human referees. Google is information prioritized and mitigated by a referee that constitute to be an algorithm. The former reflects humanity as it is and the later as it is becoming. This may represent a turning point in our evolution or could be the flash point to our fall. How should we decide or rather on what bases Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-8499427780753375962008-01-12T10:52:00.000-05:002008-01-12T10:52:00.000-05:00Hi Plato:Well, this blog should provide an opportu...Hi Plato:<BR/><BR/>Well, this blog should provide an opportunity to see at least how one European sees Americans. Can't say very much yet about the Canadians, they are a somewhat weird mixture. Very progressive as far as I can tell, but maybe living in Waterloo isn't exactly average. <BR/><BR/>The source of this blog post was not Wikipedia. Also, I usually mention my sources.<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>I Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-76041859179852400972008-01-11T22:57:00.000-05:002008-01-11T22:57:00.000-05:00Bee:I don't understand your question. I don't know...Bee:<I>I don't understand your question. I don't know what you might have mistaken for what or what thing you think I attributed to what a system.</I><BR/><BR/>Wikipedia, to communism. <BR/><BR/>Coming from backgrounds, being raised in societies, if we were raised with the "iron curtain," how would we see aspects of other cultures and societies based on what we grew up with?<BR/><BR/><B>Bee</B>:<PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-56484293985965784882008-01-11T21:41:00.000-05:002008-01-11T21:41:00.000-05:00Hi Plato,So you have looked at some of my jumbled ...Hi Plato,<BR/><BR/>So you have looked at some of my jumbled blatherings. For that I extend both my apologies and condolences:-) With that aside, I believe we do have some people that have stepped up to the plate as far as guiding science away from ambiguity and contrivance. One such person, although no longer among us, was J.S. Bell. Although not here himself, he has influenced so many who Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-52595404802710127192008-01-11T17:42:00.000-05:002008-01-11T17:42:00.000-05:00Hi Beethere is an answer to your comment on randfo...Hi Bee<BR/><BR/>there is an answer to your comment on randform. just to let you know - i dont know wether you see the incoming links.<BR/><BR/>nadAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-85100745050500301902008-01-11T14:48:00.000-05:002008-01-11T14:48:00.000-05:00Hi Bee,thanks for the interesting post.Incidentall...Hi Bee,<BR/><BR/>thanks for the interesting post.<BR/>Incidentally I wrote a blogpost<BR/>which is related to the above issue.<BR/>you can find it at:<BR/>http://www.randform.org/blog/?p=1639<BR/><BR/>Herzliche Gruesse aus BerlinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-91943297044836152312008-01-11T14:44:00.000-05:002008-01-11T14:44:00.000-05:00Hi A,If you follow this blog, you will know that I...Hi A,<BR/><BR/>If you follow this blog, you will know that I have discussed the problem of finding out what 'good science' is in various places, I have no 'solution' and I certainly acknowledge that every organization has its flaws. My suggestion is simply to ensure these flaws do *not* increase in time, but to set up a management that is flexible enough to incorporate feedback, and can improve Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-84484762234338391532008-01-11T14:35:00.000-05:002008-01-11T14:35:00.000-05:00and btw, after so mauch effort over centuries,so f...and btw, after so mauch effort over centuries,so far answer to that question is like that celebrated answer with time: I know what is good science only when no one asks me about it.<BR/>A.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-86571035437630494882008-01-11T14:32:00.000-05:002008-01-11T14:32:00.000-05:00best,A.best,A.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-23021597336389910802008-01-11T14:31:00.000-05:002008-01-11T14:31:00.000-05:00hi bee,'disagreement' is over something I care (be...hi bee,<BR/>'disagreement' is over something I care (believe it or not) about: philosophy of science. <BR/><BR/>This idea means introducing social element as deciding factor in deciding 'good science', and every, I repeat - EVERY organisation has its flaws, which can only grow exponentially in time.<BR/><BR/>Question is: what is science? or 'good' science? what is criterium? <BR/>first answer Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-82340892734314362562008-01-11T12:51:00.000-05:002008-01-11T12:51:00.000-05:00I think once you've got the mainstream understood ...<I> I think once you've got the mainstream understood it can be good to go off in seemingly crackpotish to some directions like Wolfram and Penrose have for example. </I><BR/><BR/>I'd agree on that. The problem is with those people who think it's unnecessary to first understand the basics, before one can fiddle around with them.Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-47302851800564296852008-01-11T12:47:00.000-05:002008-01-11T12:47:00.000-05:00I certainly understand the importance of the indiv...I certainly understand the importance of the individual. I just use Wikipedia like a dictionary for a concept that comes up I've never heard of before. Hopefully Wiki would allow competing experts in cases where there's disagreement and hopefully the only deleting criteria is how widely useful it is (to the masses and/or experts) rather than a particular viewpoint on correctness (course needs Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-2261300025011146412008-01-11T12:16:00.000-05:002008-01-11T12:16:00.000-05:00Hi Klaus,Yes, thanks, I know the FSM. Dawkins did ...Hi Klaus,<BR/>Yes, thanks, I know the FSM. Dawkins did a good job advertising it. Best,<BR/><BR/>B.Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-65786008177312278782008-01-11T12:03:00.000-05:002008-01-11T12:03:00.000-05:00Perhaps it speaks to my pessimism about my fellow ...Perhaps it speaks to my pessimism about my fellow citizens, if not humanity in general, that I feel more confident about this organization because it is NOT based in the United States.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com