tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post9078559801845504815..comments2023-09-27T07:44:19.769-04:00Comments on Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: There's no free lunch - and no free news eitherSabine Hossenfelderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-66499881071226835122012-12-05T09:23:19.562-05:002012-12-05T09:23:19.562-05:00Hi Sabine,
We've done experiments with micro-p...Hi Sabine,<br />We've done experiments with micro-payments and they don't work unless you can really scale them payment process like itunes. So I doubt it will save newspapers.<br /><br />In addition, news organizations face the same problem music companies have with illegal downloading. People say they are already paying for their content, its just that they see the bill as the $50 per Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08973381491677593186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-52320746533457256822012-11-24T10:57:52.037-05:002012-11-24T10:57:52.037-05:00Hi Bee,
What I means is when a significant event...Hi Bee,<br /><br /><br />What I means is when a significant event happens I prefer to read many sources as to attempt to separate the politics from the facts. This is better done by searching the issue and following from there. In this case the wide adoption of pay walls will have this eliminated although micropayments are one way to address this and yet only if can be globally worked out. The Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-74356813996545936712012-11-24T10:52:33.884-05:002012-11-24T10:52:33.884-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-34687724191932797022012-11-24T10:49:14.277-05:002012-11-24T10:49:14.277-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-26877628843395709772012-11-23T16:08:35.492-05:002012-11-23T16:08:35.492-05:00I think in a few years people will pay for less ne...I think in a few years people will pay for less news.Giotishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03594944884584261018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-58234207502831980522012-11-23T11:05:32.716-05:002012-11-23T11:05:32.716-05:00More on this: The End of Financial Times Deutschla...More on this: <a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/media-woes-hit-germany-as-financial-times-deutschland-goes-under-a-869001.html" rel="nofollow">The End of Financial Times Deutschland</a>Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-26020218567974176562012-11-23T02:25:54.580-05:002012-11-23T02:25:54.580-05:00Hi Paul,
What do you think of Jaron Lanier's ...Hi Paul,<br /><br />What do you think of Jaron Lanier's suggestion of having "micropayments" for each article? Of course this would work only if the process is simple and universal over a wide range of products. I think that it makes a lot of sense for the readership as well as for the writers. My problem with this is however that more than 90% of the time when I click on an articleSabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-12610096655267291342012-11-23T01:52:36.967-05:002012-11-23T01:52:36.967-05:00Hi Phil,
Yes, you are right, the global nature of...Hi Phil,<br /><br />Yes, you are right, the global nature of the internet has certainly changed demand as well as supply of news, which also affects the marketing tactics. I'm not sure though how this is relevant for the issue of paying-to-read and paying-through-ads. It is relevant for the question of subscription versus pay-by-piece, if that is what you mean. As you and DocG say, Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-17740759729390096772012-11-23T01:45:41.083-05:002012-11-23T01:45:41.083-05:00Hi DocG,
That's an interesting suggestion. Th...Hi DocG,<br /><br />That's an interesting suggestion. The problem is though that all these publishers would have to give up their individual strive to increase profit and would thus not have much incentive to increase quality. Best,<br /><br />B.Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-33476250293407198102012-11-22T13:54:55.363-05:002012-11-22T13:54:55.363-05:00The news media are clinging to an outmoded marketi...The news media are clinging to an outmoded marketing model. When I surf the net I'm constantly being asked to subscribe to some publication or other. But even if I'm tempted by some offer for a news source I like, what I really like is to be free to browse around at several sites. And it's absurd to even think about subscribing to every site that interests me.<br /><br />What's DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-3087743104675661032012-11-22T06:36:49.696-05:002012-11-22T06:36:49.696-05:00Hi Bee,
Just as a follow up to my previous comme...Hi Bee,<br /><br /><br />Just as a follow up to my previous comment I thought I would just leave a <a href="http://projects.chass.utoronto.ca/mcluhan-studies/v1_iss2/1_2art6.htm" rel="nofollow">link to the full text</a> of the article where Marshall McLuhan stated those words of his which I quoted there. That is for me I’ve long thought a good beginning to thinking about such things is to startPhil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-48580072445129813922012-11-22T04:00:09.471-05:002012-11-22T04:00:09.471-05:00Muon: What browser are you using? There've bee...Muon: What browser are you using? There've been some issues lately with Firefox. Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-73633570690326633552012-11-21T21:18:54.881-05:002012-11-21T21:18:54.881-05:00Bee, new reader, just wanted to state that your an...Bee, new reader, just wanted to state that your analogy might be true unless the readers are now in fact the product, a duality of sorts for info.GeekSpeakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16942176264412478164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-65636450348454526652012-11-21T19:21:48.384-05:002012-11-21T19:21:48.384-05:00Hi Bee, I agree with your post.
I'm having ...Hi Bee, I agree with your post. <br /><br />I'm having trouble posting comments, though. First of all, when I call of your web page, I get a message "To view this page, you must log in to this area on bloggerblogwidgets.googlecode.com:80:" which I cannot and don't want to do.<br /><br />Second, when I try to use OpenID with WordPress and my blog page (muon.wordpress.com), I Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-18889932505732110312012-11-21T08:47:45.916-05:002012-11-21T08:47:45.916-05:00This is partly the reason why "sponsored cont...This is partly the reason why "sponsored content is seen as the next big thing. i.e. the content is the ad in its own right.<br /><br />Both readers and advertisers are falling into the same trap. They believe that there's no point in paying for a subscription (or ads to appear in a magazine) because there may be only one or two pieces of news that will interest them (in readers case Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08973381491677593186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-10236092373069055292012-11-21T07:04:01.928-05:002012-11-21T07:04:01.928-05:00Hi Arun,
What you say is true for a broad class o...Hi Arun,<br /><br />What you say is true for a broad class of news, but it's not true in general. It's in everybody's self-interest for example to be informed about public health topics: risks, prevention, environmental factors, and so on. There are also rather banally the local news: where will the new bus stop be, how long will this construction go on, will this school be closing, Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-43079458302901757052012-11-20T18:20:42.614-05:002012-11-20T18:20:42.614-05:00If people had substantial savings/investment that ...If people had substantial savings/investment that they had to manage on their own and needed reliable news in order to do so, they might be willing to pay for news not influenced by advertising.<br /><br />The problem right now about news is that it is seen as infotainment, and not as an essential component of being a good citizen, a good investor, etc. So, why would one want to pay for Arunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03451666670728177970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-75108092700980920672012-11-19T12:10:03.231-05:002012-11-19T12:10:03.231-05:00Advertising assumes purchase in excess of costs. ...Advertising assumes purchase in excess of costs. 1929 was a consumer crisis. Folks had enough of everything, with no purchases beyond financial qualification. Governments today create <i>digital</i> $trillions/year. Wheelbarrows of paper money are reinvented into something shiny. People borrow to own ephemera with no expectation of repayment (student loans being "pre-debt"). Uncle Alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05056804084187606211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-39604756846931206322012-11-19T08:31:37.200-05:002012-11-19T08:31:37.200-05:00The "Frankfurter Rundschau"has a vera go...The "Frankfurter Rundschau"has a vera good e-paper issue fpr nearly the same price as the printed medium.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17755292334726419366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-64116445289860021722012-11-19T07:15:14.079-05:002012-11-19T07:15:14.079-05:00My contribution to the information paradigm of the...My contribution to the information paradigm of these times.<br /><br />http://thespectrumofriemannium.wordpress.com/2012/02/02/prueba-dos/<br /><br />The news or information/numbers are one of the ubiquitous pieces to be understood better in the whole Physics. Best regards. AmarashikiJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01942050607289418780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-28962436826238356952012-11-19T05:57:17.883-05:002012-11-19T05:57:17.883-05:00Hi Bee,
I think what’s missing in your considerat...Hi Bee,<br /><br />I think what’s missing in your consideration is the difference between the old concept of print newspapers and those found on the web. That is for the most part print newspapers were conceived to service local communities, while web based ones having a global reach. The impact this shift has on their marketing utility in general therefore is a complex issue, not to mention Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.com