tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post9066690609258955426..comments2023-09-27T07:44:19.769-04:00Comments on Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: Fake news wasn’t hard to predict – But what’s next?Sabine Hossenfelderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-45251906601330148972017-09-29T14:02:31.620-04:002017-09-29T14:02:31.620-04:00Sabine, by presenting a history of "fake news...Sabine, by presenting a history of "fake news" defined as witting lies by amateurs and insurgents, I fear you omit more than half the story here. The responsible, institutionalized, professional, well-funded media organizations of old, in the West as everywhere else, at all times functioned primarily as instruments of inculcating and reinforcing the nationally hegemonic ideologies; and Nicholas_X65https://www.blogger.com/profile/14757807478876075106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-58102654340545566482017-02-28T01:58:43.145-05:002017-02-28T01:58:43.145-05:00I was never quite sure who I should regard as the ...I was never quite sure who I should regard as the most well rounded, smartest person on this planet since Stanislaw Lem passed away. Well, this post did it. It's gonna be you. Hope you don't mind :-)<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14479459346584756683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-79118818907473354002017-02-25T14:55:23.677-05:002017-02-25T14:55:23.677-05:00@ Rob
You have a problem with reading comprehensi...@ Rob<br /><br />You have a problem with reading comprehension, which I am not inclined to remediate for you.<br /><br />Look up the words "opinion", "assertion", "fact", "unsupported", "valid", and "demographics". Then, read what I stated at 11:05 AM, February 23, 2017. Slowly.<br /><br />Have a nice day.TheBigHenryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04917973198063733316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-67193546877971645482017-02-24T20:30:02.746-05:002017-02-24T20:30:02.746-05:00Sometimes I think technology might provide a solut...Sometimes I think technology might provide a solution; for example, a reliable and usable lie detector. Suppose we in the USA could ask our political candidates questions refereed by reliable lie detectors - there are several questions I would like answered that way. (Not that I usually have much trouble detecting political charlatans, but I would like my hunches confirmed and widely known.)<br /JimVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10198704789965278981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-6750638621843346372017-02-24T14:36:27.276-05:002017-02-24T14:36:27.276-05:00@Henry
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My remarks were obviously addressed ...@Henry<br />"<br />My remarks were obviously addressed to your opinions, which you, in turn, based on your own unsupported assertions."<br /><br />That was ambiguous to me, so I asked for clarification, which I now got.<br /><br />As for unsupported assertions. I wrote an oppinion which I can illustrate with a lot of public data. Not least the words of the principal campaigners for Rob van Son (Not a physicist, just an amateur)https://www.blogger.com/profile/12611755507524401026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-26526284004388462692017-02-24T11:12:38.235-05:002017-02-24T11:12:38.235-05:00@ Rob
I deliberately quoted a portion of your com...@ Rob<br /><br />I deliberately quoted a portion of your comment at 4:35 AM, February 23, 2017. I did not blurt it out nor was it a random choice.<br /><br />My remarks were obviously addressed to your opinions, which you, in turn, based on your own unsupported assertions.<br /><br />My so-called "truisms" were also not random. They were specifically chosen by me to point out to you TheBigHenryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04917973198063733316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-38523299120628495732017-02-24T04:32:18.250-05:002017-02-24T04:32:18.250-05:00@Henry
""Nobody" subsumes everybody...@Henry<br />""Nobody" subsumes everybody. Your question makes no sense."<br /><br />Posing random truisms makes not sense either. A human must always assume that a sentence is said or written for a reason. If I assume you did not blurt out your quote randomly, I am still wondering what you were referring to.<br /><br />@David<br />""Power to run the country.." Rob van Son (Not a physicist, just an amateur)https://www.blogger.com/profile/12611755507524401026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-43399376008926367642017-02-24T02:04:14.787-05:002017-02-24T02:04:14.787-05:00elsurexiste,
"technically true, but ultimate...elsurexiste,<br /><br /><i>"technically true, but ultimately irrelevant"</i><br /><br />is what I'm saying<br /><br />Yes, I'm referring to transitivity.<br /><br />I don't know why time-inconsistency should not be inconsistency, or else I don't understand what you mean.<br /><br /><i>"it's the ability to pick between two bundles of goods and respect Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-62615516965548906142017-02-23T15:27:20.178-05:002017-02-23T15:27:20.178-05:00I was agreeing in general, but when you reached yo...I was agreeing in general, but when you reached your Chicago School of Economics you engaged in a bit of fake news yourself. There's a lot of wrong in your text.<br /><br />"Economists [...] the math proves it!". That's a bit like saying "Newton would tell you that SR/GR can't be.": technically true, but ultimately irrelevant. If you consider fake news a good, thenelsurexistehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04801730312095782311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-17549818492236736712017-02-23T13:53:14.041-05:002017-02-23T13:53:14.041-05:00@akidbelle, I wasn't thinking of your post whe...@akidbelle, I wasn't thinking of your post when I wrote my short missive, but thanks for the kind words.<br /><br />@Phillip Helbig, I have to disagree with your opinion on JFK. I was a teenager at the time of the crisis, and well remember the fear and uncertainty surrounding that superpower standoff. Kennedy was well known as an intellectual, and not prone to being trigger happy. He David Schroederhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18048116250413347228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-19730565107846610462017-02-23T13:42:32.718-05:002017-02-23T13:42:32.718-05:00@ amateur
"Nobody" subsumes everybody. ...@ amateur<br /><br />"Nobody" subsumes everybody. Your question makes no sense.TheBigHenryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04917973198063733316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-71183066361727375952017-02-23T12:33:34.461-05:002017-02-23T12:33:34.461-05:00@Henry
"But nobody is entitled to their own f...@Henry<br />"But nobody is entitled to their own facts."<br /><br />Anyone particular in mind?<br />Rob van Son (Not a physicist, just an amateur)https://www.blogger.com/profile/12611755507524401026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-55967174994256520782017-02-23T11:05:01.034-05:002017-02-23T11:05:01.034-05:00"Most of the "valid arguments" in c..."Most of the "valid arguments" in current policy discussions are in the hands of the urban, younger and educated part of the population. The older and rural population is less well educated and have a dearth of "valid policy arguments"."<br /><br />Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, of course. Moreover, our Constitution guarantee's everyone's right TheBigHenryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04917973198063733316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-70125478184417067752017-02-23T10:13:46.041-05:002017-02-23T10:13:46.041-05:00Hi David,
please be sure I do not want to be aggr...Hi David,<br /><br />please be sure I do not want to be aggressive to anyone. And certainly not to the US citizen or to your president. As a French man I honestly envy a democracy that can elect a man without a 40 years career dedicated to climbing the ladder of his own party - I mean someone who had a real job in contact with real world. <br /><br />Best,<br />J.akidbellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12292741599925116131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-46735263129091442452017-02-23T09:45:08.559-05:002017-02-23T09:45:08.559-05:00@David Schroeder: In The Better Angels of Our Natu...@David Schroeder: In <i>The Better Angels of Our Nature</i>, Steven Pinker makes a good and well documented case that violence has decreased almost continuously from prehistoric through modern times, with very few exceptions. (Of course, death toll etc is a fraction of the population, not absolute numbers.) This contradicts many people's opinions.<br /><br />As for Kennedy being a Phillip Helbighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12067585245603436809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-29081927537698141852017-02-23T06:21:58.711-05:002017-02-23T06:21:58.711-05:00Rob, you make a really strong point about older mo...Rob, you make a really strong point about older more rural communities vs younger urban communities. I think it applies to smaller towns too.<br /><br />it will be interesting to see how the issue plays out over a long time period. The 'aged' proportion of most developed societies is increasing fast because people live longer. On the other hand, there is a big trend towards urban living; Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-85609215759834357362017-02-23T04:35:56.134-05:002017-02-23T04:35:56.134-05:00I think there is another reason why fake news was ...I think there is another reason why fake news was so important in the Brexit vote and the presidential elections in the USA. <br /><br />In the end, both were not about policy, but about power. There is a power struggle in the Western world between on the one hand older, rural voters, and on the other hand, younger, urban voters. The "Take back our country" movements in the USA and UK, Rob van Son (Not a physicist, just an amateur)https://www.blogger.com/profile/12611755507524401026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-58628194406879662222017-02-22T09:05:28.510-05:002017-02-22T09:05:28.510-05:00Ages ago paleolithic hunter-gatherers, Middle East...Ages ago paleolithic hunter-gatherers, Middle East farmers, and metal-age invaders mixed together to form the modern European populations. Over the centuries, and millennia, their descendants divided into tribes, kingdoms, nation-states; finally merging together in the EU, as a component of the broader Western world. With each larger political entity the conflicts between them grew more David Schroederhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18048116250413347228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-24937619739223844992017-02-22T02:39:56.498-05:002017-02-22T02:39:56.498-05:00Hi Sabine,
I think the cure comes after and from ...Hi Sabine,<br /><br />I think the cure comes after and from the sickness. The society of powers has made allegiance to the society of money and all this power stuff has been based on lies for eons (including fairy tales in your own words). What can I do? Tell a bit of truth where I can and where I see it. Act at my scale, educate if I can, get educated myself.<br /><br />And again, this is all akidbellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12292741599925116131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-7530721736195477892017-02-21T23:27:00.923-05:002017-02-21T23:27:00.923-05:00Nations have been doing fake news for ages. The Sp...Nations have been doing fake news for ages. The Spanish-American war promoted by Hearst, the Reichstag fire, the Tonkin Gulf, Weapons of Mass Destruction, etc. The only real difference is now the public gets to do it. The lies are more diffuse but so far haven't started a war - although that could change.cybervigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12304404301744056402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-49183370548067777762017-02-21T23:23:41.197-05:002017-02-21T23:23:41.197-05:00The claim that "news" is singular must b...The claim that "news" is singular must be backed up by three primary citations.cybervigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12304404301744056402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-85193445305432816702017-02-21T01:24:49.712-05:002017-02-21T01:24:49.712-05:00Great and very timely essay it. Sharing it!Great and very timely essay it. Sharing it!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07523284677825397967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-88076462895896298292017-02-20T16:23:22.574-05:002017-02-20T16:23:22.574-05:00Dear Sabine -- thank you for having the courage to...Dear Sabine -- thank you for having the courage to openly say what many of us have known for a long time. As for you, I hope you make it long after 2045 (assuming to want to still be here).<br /><br />I won't get into into the alt-fact, willfully ignorant, low-information Trumpocracy I'm now living in, which is in fact a direct consequence of what you speak of. But I see a similar trend Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13243006930165511059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-48234151227893609252017-02-20T12:55:08.201-05:002017-02-20T12:55:08.201-05:00akidbelle,
Sure, there have always been fake news...akidbelle,<br /><br />Sure, there have always been fake news. Trust me, it has occurred to me. But if you think this is business as usual, you should look again - the impact of fake news has never been so quick and so global. If you think orders of magnitude don't make a difference, you're on a slippery slope sliding down the wrong end. Also, you should look up normalcy bias.<br /><br />Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-26845921820832047552017-02-20T12:31:05.839-05:002017-02-20T12:31:05.839-05:00Hi Sabine,
thanks, nice futurology... but maybe y...Hi Sabine,<br /><br />thanks, nice futurology... but maybe you forget that news were always manipulated, censored and filtered. Fake news is nothing new, and even 100% forged news has been there for long (made fortunes in stock markets). Years ago I talked to an old journalist who was maybe 40 when you were just born, he witnessed manipulation and filtering from within. Believe me he had a lot toakidbellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12292741599925116131noreply@blogger.com