tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post9054643829636160794..comments2023-09-27T07:44:19.769-04:00Comments on Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: The LHC “nightmare scenario” has come true. Sabine Hossenfelderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comBlogger73125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-8001511575767751932021-07-31T08:00:43.908-04:002021-07-31T08:00:43.908-04:00I would respectfully suggest that the underlying o...I would respectfully suggest that the underlying ontology, i.e. physicalism, needs to be reviewed. No one really knows whether or not there is but one ontological realm. Should there actually be two or more ontological realms it could open up a whole new set of potential explanations for outstanding problems in philosophy and theoretical science.Willardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11112947601288080538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-40275955102403133972018-02-18T13:02:09.680-05:002018-02-18T13:02:09.680-05:00Excellent article Sabine. Great to read from a tru...Excellent article Sabine. Great to read from a truly objective scientist and not one seeking for next funding tap.Grant Mesnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15686917618564596355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-57409573150109481142016-09-10T13:45:55.842-04:002016-09-10T13:45:55.842-04:00I think if we resolve some of the fundamental issu...I think if we resolve some of the fundamental issues with QM, we it will set the tone for moving away from multiverses and anthropic landscapes. I like this approach and others similar to pilot wave theory:<br />https://www.wired.com/2014/06/the-new-quantum-reality/mhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03582678489140510042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-82648784816284556862016-08-29T17:26:41.518-04:002016-08-29T17:26:41.518-04:00Embarrassed to get Dr. Noddack's name wrong......Embarrassed to get Dr. Noddack's name wrong... should have checked.... Ida Noddack. And her paper from 1934 calling into question Fermi's conclusions is good, and was wrongly neglected... http://www.chemteam.info/Chem-History/Noddack-1934.html<br />A clear case where the promising work was overlooked.Harry Nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04150777005710078722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-56577480332031486252016-08-29T11:31:05.227-04:002016-08-29T11:31:05.227-04:00Thanks Sabine... at least my experience is that on...Thanks Sabine... at least my experience is that on short time scales, subjectivity is important... we humans remain fallible, social, hierarchical creatures. Perhaps that is why the scientific method itself, with some idea about and striving for objectivity, was absent for most of human history. However, on longer time scales I think objective assessments do take over.<br /><br />Examples? No Harry Nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04150777005710078722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-86973788836631076282016-08-29T02:43:35.799-04:002016-08-29T02:43:35.799-04:00Harry,
"Were it totally clean and logical, I...Harry,<br /><br /><i>"Were it totally clean and logical, I think the likelihood of a major mistake, like building the Maginot Line, might dominate."</i><br /><br />I never said anything about "clean and logical" - this is physics, not math, I know how much it's driven by intuition. I spoke about the need of it being objective. The problem I see that you either can't orSabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-24959415294723545932016-08-28T14:10:06.814-04:002016-08-28T14:10:06.814-04:00Hi Sabine,
On neutrino masses and mixings... as f...Hi Sabine,<br /><br />On neutrino masses and mixings... as far as I know, that whole story is a complex interaction of experiment and theory, not, "anticipation by theoreticians". Ellis and Wooster, following up an a long back and forth with Lise Meitner, did the crucial experiment underpinning the existence of the neutrino in 1927, prior to Pauli; experimentalists were remarkably Harry Nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04150777005710078722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-42796670233034706672016-08-27T02:09:14.985-04:002016-08-27T02:09:14.985-04:00Harry,
First, you're right that the "50&...Harry,<br /><br />First, you're right that the "50" should have been a "40". Sorry about that. <br /><br />Second, I did mention neutrino masses, see first paragraph. My point was that they were anticipated by theoreticians long ago. <br /><br />Third, yes, experimentalists have their own agendas to push, but you're missing the larger context in which I'm writing Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-15657449423146566052016-08-26T18:00:59.373-04:002016-08-26T18:00:59.373-04:00I don't think "We’ve maneuvered ourselves...I don't think "We’ve maneuvered ourselves into a dead end by relying on aesthetic guidance to decide which experiments are the most promising. I hope that this latest null result will send a clear message that you can’t trust the judgement of scientists whose future funding depends on their continued optimism."<br /><br />The decisions as to which experiments are most promising has Harry Nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04150777005710078722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-82321222094042468682016-08-21T09:36:36.579-04:002016-08-21T09:36:36.579-04:00Much of this can be summed up with FAIRI DUST
Fre...Much of this can be summed up with FAIRI DUST<br /><br />Frequent Ad hoc Interventions Repeatedly Invoked -in support of - Dubious and Unsustainable Scientific Theories,Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08860019026118762048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-43832287091939923112016-08-21T02:06:10.465-04:002016-08-21T02:06:10.465-04:00Michael,
I don't know what you mean. Dirac pr...Michael,<br /><br />I don't know what you mean. Dirac pretty much started this whole business with his "large number hypothesis". (Though Weyl came up with a similar thing slightly earlier.)Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-35233743276704146572016-08-20T13:17:29.674-04:002016-08-20T13:17:29.674-04:00Spot on Sabine, you nailed it perfectly. Several p...Spot on Sabine, you nailed it perfectly. Several pioneers of this approach even warned us that it didn't make sense (Feynman, Dirac). Witten's talk on "Living with infinities" seems to be the eulogy speech.mhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03582678489140510042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-84606650735795588032016-08-20T06:18:09.345-04:002016-08-20T06:18:09.345-04:00Ross,
Yes, maybe. But I hope you understand that ...Ross,<br /><br />Yes, maybe. But I hope you understand that I neither have the time nor the patience to provide that forum. <br />Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-36029496522405740182016-08-20T04:45:52.502-04:002016-08-20T04:45:52.502-04:00Sabine
You say "I have gotten a lot of comme...Sabine<br /><br />You say "I have gotten a lot of comments to this post with links to your blogs or websites or vixra papers. I do not approve any such comments. If you have to say something, please avoid the links."<br /><br />One thing I've observed at events dealing with foundations (such as the last couple of workshops on emergent quantum mechanics) is that people are not much Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06477919699214889731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-68732080377878294522016-08-15T11:24:22.592-04:002016-08-15T11:24:22.592-04:00beijixiong,
Maybe at the end of the day what you...beijixiong, <br /><br />Maybe at the end of the day what you wrote is the most truthful. The Lack of respect of Mother nature is rather common.... Heraclitus wrote about 2,600 years ago, "the logos is common, but everyone seems to have their own private understanding", At about the same time in China Lao Tzu wrote, "whatever you say the Tao is, is not the Tao"....Same thingdavid thurmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08006530053102852110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-74697579752522404502016-08-15T09:16:08.464-04:002016-08-15T09:16:08.464-04:00If the LHC has not delivered the expectations, tha...If the LHC has <i>not</i> delivered the expectations, that is probably more useful for science. As Robert Pirsig wrote, the TV scientist who sighs "Our experiment is a failure; we didn't find what we were looking for." is suffering mainly from a bad script writer.<br /><br />So, great for the LHC. Not so great for those who "knew" what it would uncover.<br /><br />Phillip Helbighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12067585245603436809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-404309658224322012016-08-14T23:37:00.646-04:002016-08-14T23:37:00.646-04:00I always felt that "naturalness" is a co...I always felt that "naturalness" is a consequence of theorists taking their perturbative techniques too seriously. I recall once reading (hearing?) Gordy Kane dicussing a "principle of perturbative stability" (or something to that effect) as though it was something really profound. I imagined Mother Nature having a good chuckle over that.Beijixionghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06541754882036041764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-87112206482062796142016-08-13T02:51:35.594-04:002016-08-13T02:51:35.594-04:00Hi Tim,
Also an expanded version of what I posted...Hi Tim,<br /><br />Also an expanded version of what I posted on fb.<br /><br />You know that argument that it can take a long time for a research program in hep-th to bear fruit? Well, that sword cuts both ways. It's ridiculous to complain (like you and others do) that there is a lack of big alternative research programs when there's no funding for those. Many intelligent people who have Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-26588732368499962572016-08-13T01:44:55.162-04:002016-08-13T01:44:55.162-04:00There are truly unbelievable research happening in...There are truly unbelievable research happening in experimentation these days and yet science has predicted that these wonders must exist. I am referring to monopoles, tachyons, and micro black holes, quantum teleportation, hadronization, multi-particle entanglement, high temperature Bose Einstein Condensation, and non-associative quantum mechanics. These wonders have been searched for by scienceAxilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07190120527431077518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-19042941784619662132016-08-12T20:27:54.661-04:002016-08-12T20:27:54.661-04:00Hi Sabine,
This is an expanded version of what I ...Hi Sabine,<br /><br />This is an expanded version of what I posted on Facebook.<br /><br />I am really disturbed that you would make the statement: "We’ve maneuvered ourselves into a dead end by relying on aesthetic guidance to decide which experiments are the most promising.". I think this does an enormous injustice to the way particle physics experiment has been planned and carried Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12616028941977223115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-49470938484867282162016-08-12T13:08:41.498-04:002016-08-12T13:08:41.498-04:00Another wonderful post chez Sabine.
It looks like...Another wonderful post chez Sabine.<br /><br />It looks like the LHC is producing a result. It's just not the result we wanted. I still think the LHC is a valuable tool, but we need to start looking elsewhere.<br />Kaleberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05283840743310507878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-14640177420945844542016-08-11T09:12:53.251-04:002016-08-11T09:12:53.251-04:00A nightmare scenario? For who? Suppose CERN had di...A nightmare scenario? For who? Suppose CERN had discovered some new phenomena. Should it solve the big questions about the underlying reality of nature? Of course not. May be it is a nightmare for all those people who want the next particle accelerator. I hope so.Sydney Ernest Grimmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00290346316355388367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-22100434759409370172016-08-11T02:47:35.589-04:002016-08-11T02:47:35.589-04:00Well now that actually sounds like the most feasib...Well now that actually sounds like the most feasible TOE I have ever heard on a science board. It could also be applied to the current religion/science debate, or politics for that matter. It would be kind of funny if physics and cosmology went down that rabbit hole!<br /><br /> My guess, you could be most certainly right and our hyper complex abstractions have nothing to do with much except david thurmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08006530053102852110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-24169460319066997422016-08-10T18:46:29.672-04:002016-08-10T18:46:29.672-04:00Logically, it is entirely possible that physics wi...Logically, it is entirely possible that physics will proceed to the point where it becomes physically impossible to decide between competing and logically inconsistent theories. That is, it may be that someday there will be two or more theories of physics that predict the results of all feasible experiments and observations, and yet these theories might not only be logically inconsistent, i.e. Michael Goginshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07300917064580760923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-59752408573494738642016-08-10T10:09:29.349-04:002016-08-10T10:09:29.349-04:00Great article! I mostly agree with it while lively...Great article! I mostly agree with it while lively remembering discussions in the 90s with some of my profs who were totally convinced that LHC would, at the very least, discover SUSY. The possibility of that doesn't happening was just anathema to them.<br /><br />However, for the sake of the field, I still hope that LHC will come up with something unexpected.Pete_Uhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12425361960510171826noreply@blogger.com