tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post8584599709666596642..comments2023-09-27T07:44:19.769-04:00Comments on Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: GibberishSabine Hossenfelderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-58853601426163525082009-06-09T02:01:44.051-04:002009-06-09T02:01:44.051-04:00First time to visit here i just want to say your b...First time to visit here i just want to say your blog is so cool! :) Great JobKaren Daylehttp://karendayle.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-8451791150428676292008-11-05T16:00:00.000-05:002008-11-05T16:00:00.000-05:00Hi Phil,No, not you Phil. Who introduced the word?...Hi Phil,<BR/><BR/>No, not you Phil. Who introduced the word?<BR/><BR/>There is an underlying intent to produce words like "Shamanism," too "culturally appropriate" and diminish by association, elements of the current culture? To somehow imply "such value" as to this "melting pot of scientists" according too, will become the succession.:) Enlightened. Imagine turning the table then, as to PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-92150698417375694772008-11-04T04:28:00.000-05:002008-11-04T04:28:00.000-05:00Hi Plato,“Because one "cannot grasp the significan...Hi Plato,<BR/><BR/>“Because one "cannot grasp the significance of this step beyond" does not mean one should quickly dispel it to "illusions of grandeur" that one may liken too, for display:)”<BR/><BR/>I don’t recall likening it to being “illusions of grandeur” or are you quoting someone else within this thread whom I’m not able to discover. If not then I suggest it’s not I who holds the illusionPhil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-69164994565240581052008-11-03T12:07:00.000-05:002008-11-03T12:07:00.000-05:00Phil:Yet if it be regarded significant as to be co...<B>Phil</B>:<I>Yet if it be regarded significant as to be considered important shouldn’t the authors be concerned as to have them at least make some attempt.</I><BR/><BR/>One does not disregard the experimental procedure, and does not disavow to work "beyond the result" to consider other points of view. <BR/><BR/>Because one "cannot grasp the significance of this step beyond" does not mean one PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-2187554147043259322008-11-03T07:32:00.000-05:002008-11-03T07:32:00.000-05:00Hi Tim,“To answer that there is a missing hypothes...Hi Tim,<BR/><BR/>“To answer that there is a missing hypothesis .<BR/>What is the INTELLECTUAL level of those who discover it ?”<BR/><BR/>Actually I already recognized this when I said:<BR/>“I’m of course aware that the argument will be that the subject is so advanced that what it conveys could never possibly be all that self supporting or explanatory.”<BR/><BR/>What I meant to convey was more of Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-31968800308332188462008-11-03T06:46:00.000-05:002008-11-03T06:46:00.000-05:00Imagine if our civilization falls like those in th...<I>Imagine if our civilization falls like those in the past and this is one of a few fragments of our present that surfaces to survive in the future, what possible insight would it bring to those that discover it.</I><BR/><BR/>To answer that there is a missing hypothesis .<BR/>What is the INTELLECTUAL level of those who discover it ?<BR/><BR/>If it is adequate to be able to understand group Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-20882472053602211372008-11-02T19:25:00.000-05:002008-11-02T19:25:00.000-05:00Well, for what it's worth, I never took Bee's joke...Well, for what it's worth, I never took Bee's joke as an attack on the *work* represented in that paper. It *did* come across as an attack on the way it was written. And that is obviously fair. I guess that a lot of us feel that the arxiv is full of papers which leave you asking: even if this paper is correct, who cares? And very often, that feeling is a result of extremely poor paper-writing Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-57434637964325712692008-11-02T16:08:00.000-05:002008-11-02T16:08:00.000-05:00Hi Bee,“I never said, neither here nor elsewhere, ...Hi Bee,<BR/><BR/>“I never said, neither here nor elsewhere, that the paper Lubos is referring to is gibberish.”<BR/><BR/><BR/>Perhaps it is not and yet except for all of what amounts to a handful of specialists it is certainly written in giberalese. Imagine if our civilization falls like those in the past and this is one of a few fragments of our present that surfaces to survive in the future, Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-40371528205988630122008-11-02T12:33:00.000-05:002008-11-02T12:33:00.000-05:00Anonymous: I never said, neither here nor elsewher...Anonymous: I never said, neither here nor elsewhere, that the paper Lubos is referring to is gibberish.Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-63826797239241489712008-11-02T12:27:00.000-05:002008-11-02T12:27:00.000-05:00Sabine, you're wrong. Lubos says the paper is NOT ...Sabine, you're wrong. Lubos says the paper is NOT gibberish !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-16325065037797724652008-10-31T21:23:00.000-04:002008-10-31T21:23:00.000-04:00Hi Bee,Shouldn't the first premise of academic res...Hi Bee,<BR/><BR/><I>Shouldn't the first premise of academic research be integrity and mutual trust in that we share a common interest to unravel the truth. Then somebody goes and abuses this trust to then make fun of it? It seems to me like an odd thing to do. We all know that peer review isn't perfect</I><BR/><BR/>Your absolutely right Bee.<BR/><BR/>ON the one hand it revealed something about PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-85745487474601313462008-10-31T20:28:00.000-04:002008-10-31T20:28:00.000-04:00Hi Plato,My remark about the misinterpretation was...Hi Plato,<BR/><BR/>My remark about the misinterpretation was not referring to you. No need to thank us for allowing you here. Your comments are usually on topic and offer a different point of view. Though I often not really know what to do with them so they remain unanswered. I believe I said that before.<BR/><BR/>But speaking of the Sokal hoax, here is something I've often wondered about: Why? Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-48082583213730161052008-10-31T20:13:00.000-04:002008-10-31T20:13:00.000-04:00Bee:I get the sense of a deliberate and cheerful m...<B>Bee</B>:<I>I get the sense of a deliberate and cheerful misinterpretation of my intentions</I><BR/><BR/>I was honest from the get go. First post. <BR/><BR/>I am not a string theorist but do allude to trying to understand the concepts even after all these years and the flack it takes, as if having been through the minefield myself. I would hate it to become what it had become with Peter. You PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-65661767294221738712008-10-31T18:41:00.000-04:002008-10-31T18:41:00.000-04:00Hi Moshe,Thanks. Glad we clarified that. Best,B.Hi Moshe,<BR/><BR/>Thanks. Glad we clarified that. Best,<BR/><BR/>B.Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-59894593128124662002008-10-31T18:40:00.000-04:002008-10-31T18:40:00.000-04:00Hi Giotis,Thanks. I am kind of sorry though becaus...Hi Giotis,<BR/><BR/>Thanks. I am kind of sorry though because I didn't mean it to be insulting in any way, and now I'm afraid it might unintentionally have come off as such. Best,<BR/><BR/>B.Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-35869190863966533722008-10-31T18:37:00.000-04:002008-10-31T18:37:00.000-04:00OK, you are right, it was not clear to me if this ...OK, you are right, it was not clear to me if this is meant as a criticism (which would be an extremely unfair one), but put in context this looks like just a simple joke. No need to be overly sensitive, hopefully I learned my lesson as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-64934385407910734242008-10-31T18:36:00.000-04:002008-10-31T18:36:00.000-04:00Hi Bee,Bee (or should i say Sarah:-)) you shouldn'...Hi Bee,<BR/><BR/>Bee (or should i say Sarah:-)) you shouldn't be surprised by the reactions. You hit a sore point with your post even if you did it unintentionally. More and more now days (as you know better), string theory is criticized that it doesn't make physical sense anymore and it has been evolved to a maze with no way out of it and with no light in the tunnel. It is only natural (and i Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-81357908956632134752008-10-31T17:37:00.000-04:002008-10-31T17:37:00.000-04:00Hi Plato,What annoys me about this is that given m...Hi Plato,<BR/><BR/>What annoys me about this is that given my opinions on all kind of matters are by now very well documented, I get the sense of a deliberate and cheerful misinterpretation of my intentions. This really puts me off, since it gives me the feeling that writing a blog (as well as commenting on other people's blogs) is more like walking a minefield, where with every wrong step one ofSabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-89238559341515170442008-10-31T17:17:00.000-04:002008-10-31T17:17:00.000-04:00Hi Moshe,To be honest, I am kind of pissed off by ...Hi Moshe,<BR/><BR/>To be honest, I am kind of pissed off by this discussion. I have spend several years on this blog repeatedly pointing out the necessity for fundamental research and the importance of mathematically abstract studies. Then I go an make a joke, and defenders of the abstract abstracts start pointing fingers at me as if I was to endanger the purpose of their being. Thank you very Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-4607014985477821892008-10-31T16:46:00.000-04:002008-10-31T16:46:00.000-04:00This is probably obvious, but just to make sure. T...This is probably obvious, but just to make sure. The text in question is the abstract of a published paper<BR/><BR/>http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/1126-6708/2007/12/079<BR/><BR/>This paper presents a calculation which is part of a large research program, whose results are interesting and useful. Just because there is no mention of physics motivation in those two sentences, it doesn't mean there Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-33180731118336575892008-10-31T12:54:00.000-04:002008-10-31T12:54:00.000-04:00Dear Uncle,Summation over all photon histories is ...Dear Uncle,<BR/><BR/><I>Summation over all photon histories is nice, but patronize an optician for a decent magnifying glass.</I><BR/><BR/>Dave that was really quite rude?:)<BR/><BR/>Because you do not understand to take the geometrics to higher dimensionality, does not require another to "patronize an optician for need of a magnifying glass."<BR/><BR/> Their eyes are much more acute then you PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-4670810688700223752008-10-31T12:38:00.000-04:002008-10-31T12:38:00.000-04:00Sorry Bee, now knowing it was not intentional I ha...Sorry Bee, now knowing it was not intentional I have to say what might of happened and caused the frustration, "just guessing" for Lubos and your humour. <BR/><BR/>Not that it matters once it gets to the point of the language anymore, it might be revealing of others who hold his view, think he is quite knowledgeable, just that this verbiage destroys any attempts by not being civil.<BR/><BR/>PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-16525423862861600702008-10-31T08:01:00.000-04:002008-10-31T08:01:00.000-04:00Hi Daniel,My post is not a comment on the paper. B...Hi Daniel,<BR/><BR/>My post is not a comment on the paper. Believe it or not, I don't know who the text is by that I pulled through the generator. It sounds similar enough to the abstract of the above mentioned paper though, so possibly indeed by one of the authors. I was just looking for a random piece of text, I never even looked at the paper. So could you please stop taking this too seriously?Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-72077863847967796952008-10-31T07:41:00.000-04:002008-10-31T07:41:00.000-04:00Hi Daniel,I thought we were talking about physics ...Hi Daniel,<BR/><BR/>I thought we were talking about physics here, where the first thing one must attempt is determining how to distinguish what is plausible from that which is mere possibility.<BR/><BR/>Best,<BR/><BR/>PhilPhil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-1592364894888981802008-10-31T07:20:00.000-04:002008-10-31T07:20:00.000-04:00Although the original article might not ever lead ...Although the original article might not ever lead to anything physical plausible, saying that it is is gibberish is a little bit unfair. I mean, it is something that might be very important and mathematicaly consistent to a group of people of that area, and it doesn't look like the authors were acting dishonestly. And you see, even though that is might not eventualy represent physics, the brane Daniel de França MTd2https://www.blogger.com/profile/01281817409696805377noreply@blogger.com