tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post8067049848487904128..comments2023-09-27T07:44:19.769-04:00Comments on Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: Howard Burton: First PrinciplesSabine Hossenfelderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-54143105572399746252009-07-02T07:04:38.748-04:002009-07-02T07:04:38.748-04:00Hi Phil,
I'm glad you liked the book :-)
-B....Hi Phil,<br /><br />I'm glad you liked the book :-)<br /><br />-B.Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-90217063465727057802009-06-30T01:34:17.256-04:002009-06-30T01:34:17.256-04:00Yes, well said Phil.Yes, <a href="http://eskesthai.blogspot.com/2009/06/first-principles-by-howard-burton.html?showComment=1246339579984#c9140540924549328548" title="First Principles by Howard Burton-Posted by Plato at Wednesday, June 17, 2009 " rel="nofollow">well said</a> Phil.PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-15877937629229131712009-06-29T08:00:33.245-04:002009-06-29T08:00:33.245-04:00Hi Bee,
I just wanted to report that I have final...Hi Bee,<br /><br />I just wanted to report that I have finally read this book of Howard Burton’s and found it to be very enjoyable. In as I was one of those that has traced the progress of PI since shortly after its beginning, I can certainly say it filled in many of the blanks I still had regarding its inception and creation. It does serve very well in doing this. <br /><br />Yet the most Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-81612248428884789922009-04-11T17:55:00.000-04:002009-04-11T17:55:00.000-04:00A little self promotion then and some points towar...A little self promotion then and some points toward "foundational thinking?" :)First Principle in Condense Matter Theorist point of view? <BR/><BR/>One should not forget this if one was able to perceive the "tide of events" that were challenging theorist on a particular point of view?<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://eskesthai.blogspot.com/2008/08/memories-arise-out-of-equilibrium.html" REL="nofollow" PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-59043605098871540232009-04-11T17:44:00.000-04:002009-04-11T17:44:00.000-04:00Again, as Time became something of an issue with S...Again, as Time became something of an issue with Smolin, there was a "philosophical point of consideration" as to what time means, in the world of theoretics.<BR/><BR/>So how should one proceed?<BR/><BR/>So one might indeed ask what use philosophy in order to get it right as one moves forward with their scientific proposal. I saw Sean Carroll's attempt much like, "setting things in order" and PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-18204829895539083412009-04-11T10:46:00.000-04:002009-04-11T10:46:00.000-04:00Tkk: Reg 1), we've had plenty of this, believe me....Tkk: Reg 1), we've had plenty of this, believe me.Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-61887511991032724632009-04-11T10:42:00.000-04:002009-04-11T10:42:00.000-04:00Hi Tkk,“agree with your observations on lack of fo...Hi Tkk,<BR/><BR/>“agree with your observations on lack of focus on foundational core.”<BR/><BR/>It’s nice to know I’m not the only one concerned about such things. I realize they have a department called quantum foundations which is headed by people like <A HREF="http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=72&pi=1078" REL="nofollow">Lucien Hardy</A> and Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-82829621463612896032009-04-11T09:44:00.000-04:002009-04-11T09:44:00.000-04:00Hi again,Sorry to keep cluttering up this blog wit...Hi again,<BR/><BR/>Sorry to keep cluttering up this blog with my own promotional blurbs, but since people have asked: I will be in Waterloo on April 28th, giving a talk at UW's graduate research conference - I think it's at 1:30 pm, which might not be terribly convenient for some, I recognize, but there's not too much I can do about that, I'm afraid. <BR/><BR/>I will also be at a few other Howard Burtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02326510647251906633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-66899518922602371642009-04-11T00:00:00.000-04:002009-04-11T00:00:00.000-04:00Phil - agree with your observations on lack of foc...Phil - agree with your observations on lack of focus on foundational core. <BR/><BR/>Howard - Everybody knows you built the Institute from the ground up. That's a very challenging assignment which you accomplished with high honor. Stand tall and disregard all criticisms. Similarly everybody understands that to move to the next phase a world renowned physicist with leadership qualities will be Tkknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-30435273498437000212009-04-10T21:25:00.000-04:002009-04-10T21:25:00.000-04:00I'll leave my commentary as a physics student at U...I'll leave my commentary as a physics student at UW who wants to work at PI. I have to admit that walking past the SCH and seeing the book for sale I had to immediately by it. I know that for most of my friends and I PI is the proverbial guru on the mountaintop or whatever and I have to admit that learning the history of the place is really interesting. It's also interesting to see what the Lukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16737623629003356329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-59749548227815774622009-04-10T10:27:00.000-04:002009-04-10T10:27:00.000-04:00Phil:This business of being labelled as a string, ...<B>Phil</B>:<I>This business of being labelled as a string, loop, particle or whatever person I find more indicative of the problem in going forward then anything else.</I><BR/><BR/>I couldn't agree with you more Phil.<BR/><BR/>If one choses a foundational approach "that is different" then says, that there is no hope for another, then why should we see that such an environment conducive to a "PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-72330699109567708812009-04-10T07:07:00.000-04:002009-04-10T07:07:00.000-04:00Hi Plato,You would be wrong if you think I’m criti...Hi Plato,<BR/><BR/>You would be wrong if you think I’m critical of Turok personally in any way, as I have in the past said essentially the opposite. It’s just I imagined PI’s mission if you like was primarily becoming a place where a mixture of view points and focuses exist together, so that the strength rests more in diversity rather then specialty. I think it’s also obvious there is Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-35301896936011338992009-04-10T04:47:00.000-04:002009-04-10T04:47:00.000-04:00Hi Dr. Burton,I will certainly read your book, sin...Hi Dr. Burton,<BR/><BR/><BR/>I will certainly read your book, since I’ve been curious as to what you’ve been up to since you leaving PI. I must say the public lectures have not quite been the same since your departure. I particularly liked those where you engaged in a little one on one discussion with some of the guest lecturers, since as I said it brought out the human aspect of science, which Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-91979103832418717432009-04-09T17:45:00.000-04:002009-04-09T17:45:00.000-04:00Spacetime is an emergent phenomenaHow did you get ...<A HREF="http://online.kitp.ucsb.edu/online/kitp25/witten/oh/10.html" REL="nofollow" TITLE="Edward Witten">Spacetime is an emergent phenomena</A><BR/><BR/>How did you get "there" without considering a foundational basis?<BR/><BR/><BR/>Best, :)PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-50459723590779265972009-04-09T17:18:00.000-04:002009-04-09T17:18:00.000-04:00Like Phil,I have been watch this developing instit...Like Phil,<BR/><BR/>I have been watch this developing institution as well. In a weird sort of way feeling quite proud that such an institution was given impetus out of which an appreciation for developing of the science perspective was displayed here in the north, by Lazardis<BR/><BR/>I really don't think it is a Ivory Tower that is being described while Turok resides in his position. Just that PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-82969722342834200062009-04-09T12:48:00.000-04:002009-04-09T12:48:00.000-04:00Phil is correct - quantized gravitation is abstrac...Phil is correct - quantized gravitation is abstract mathematics with economics' empirical validity. All gravitation observations used achiral atomic mass distributions. If the vacuum is chiral in the massed sector GR (Equivalence Principle), QM (conservation of angular mometnum), and perturbational string theory (BRST invariance) are incomplete.<BR/><BR/>Perturbative quantum gravitational Uncle Alhttp://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-155261512453917832009-04-09T10:57:00.000-04:002009-04-09T10:57:00.000-04:00Hi Howard,I have bought, read and highly enjoyed y...Hi Howard,<BR/>I have bought, read and highly enjoyed your book. Could you give more details about your UW visit?<BR/>I would like to be there.Barrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-89163729538715383342009-04-09T09:55:00.000-04:002009-04-09T09:55:00.000-04:00Hi,In a shameless burst of self-promotion, let me ...Hi,<BR/><BR/>In a shameless burst of self-promotion, let me say that it would be best to read the book first before speculating. That is, buy it, of course, rather than borrow it from a friend (see how mercenary I'm becoming?)<BR/><BR/>If you are interested and can spare the time, I'd be happy to personally respond to any of your questions on the afternoon of the 28th of April when I'll be in Howard Burtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02326510647251906633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-9746447446202426652009-04-09T06:09:00.000-04:002009-04-09T06:09:00.000-04:00Hi Goitis,Howard was hired as someone to get thing...Hi Goitis,<BR/><BR/>Howard was hired as someone to get things going, with recruiting the initial faculty, local community involvement, setting up the basic structure, getting the government/private partners on board and having the building constructed. The one thing he wan’t was in being a prominent physicists himself, which Neil Turok now represents. I think if anything the ivory tower model is Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-62480420861609234362009-04-08T15:18:00.000-04:002009-04-08T15:18:00.000-04:00Hi Giotis,never mind. It's just somewhat tiresome ...Hi Giotis,<BR/><BR/>never mind. It's just somewhat tiresome to repeat this things constantly. For whatever reasons quite a lot of people seem to believe the funniest things about PI, such as we're employed by RIM, Lee is our director, we're all doing LQG and are fighting string theory or similar nonsense. It's quite astonishing given that doing as much as looking at our website or even the Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-64328699427550412352009-04-08T14:10:00.000-04:002009-04-08T14:10:00.000-04:00Yes I remember. Then I was wrong Bee and you know ...Yes I remember. Then I was wrong Bee and you know better of course. This was my general impression (regardless of this site) and anyway this is what blogs are good for; to communicate with other people, get informed and correct your misconceptions.Giotisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-78830701189623638842009-04-08T13:54:00.000-04:002009-04-08T13:54:00.000-04:00Giotis: Yes, you are being unreasonable. I have al...Giotis: Yes, you are being unreasonable. I have already given you the link above, see <A HREF="http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/About/People/People_at_PI/" REL="nofollow">this site</A>, click on <A HREF="http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/Scientific/Research/Superstring_Theory/" REL="nofollow">Superstring theory</A>, see list of faculty members. I agree with you that string theory is an approach toSabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-83570793765748834872009-04-08T13:19:00.000-04:002009-04-08T13:19:00.000-04:00Bee I'm sorry, I'm looking at the Quantum Gravity ...Bee I'm sorry, I'm looking at the Quantum Gravity sector where else should I look? I know they have other departments but if string theory is not a theory of Quantum gravity then what it is good for?<BR/><BR/>Explicitly they state in the QG site:<BR/><BR/>"Quantum gravity is concerned with unifying Einstein's general theory of relativity with quantum theory into a single theoretical framework. AtGiotisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-90306474379067157402009-04-08T12:58:00.000-04:002009-04-08T12:58:00.000-04:00Thomas Thiemann is an associate, not resident facu...Thomas Thiemann is an associate, not resident faculty, he is in Potsdam for all I know. Maybe look up some papers by the other three before you incorrectly put them into a drawer. Besides this, the QG group doesn't only consist of faculty and, as I pointed out earlier, you are looking at one out of six groups. Do me a favor and try to get a more accurate view before you offer premature judgment.Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-89216325455445552142009-04-08T12:52:00.000-04:002009-04-08T12:52:00.000-04:00Bee, have you seen the faculty members of the quan...Bee, have you seen the faculty members of the quantum gravity sector in this PI's web site?<BR/>Thiemann, Markopoulou, Freidel, Smolin...do I have to say more? <BR/><BR/>So I can only conclude that for PI indeed QG=LQG.Giotisnoreply@blogger.com