tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post7353351742416700227..comments2023-09-27T07:44:19.769-04:00Comments on Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: Sexist?Sabine Hossenfelderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-28462089282918731082019-01-05T19:05:14.104-05:002019-01-05T19:05:14.104-05:00Wow. I find it amazing that all of this was in ea...Wow. I find it amazing that all of this was in earnest. At least half the parties in this thread give off a very insecure teenage emotional vibe. It can't be very pleasant talking yourself into feeling wounded. Resentment, a form of grudge, should be reserved for serious cases of intentional abuse. The same emotions on display here, reminiscent of theological strife, have throughout Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03070044088423001813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-47561278080601546732007-09-05T02:15:00.000-04:002007-09-05T02:15:00.000-04:00Dear Clifford,thank you for getting back to my que...Dear Clifford,<BR/><BR/><BR/>thank you for getting back to my question, and for your answer! So, I understand that in your opinion, even in a different wording, any remarks about the physical appearance is a no-go in this context, a blog post about the talk of a colleague. <BR/><BR/>I think I got that point, however, please accept that I do not completly agree. I have written more about it in thestefanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09495628046446378453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-89537631530241449412007-09-03T15:28:00.000-04:002007-09-03T15:28:00.000-04:00Hi Stefan,(Response to your comment quite a few sc...Hi Stefan,<BR/><BR/>(Response to your comment quite a few scrolls up.)<BR/><BR/>I really appreciate that you're thinking this through, trying to understand what some of us are saying, and generally being open-minded. Thanks. I placed some further remarks about the context issue that address a number of your points. They are <A HREF="http://asymptotia.com/2007/08/29/still-so-far-to-go/#cvjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11877721142551713474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-8150241441892298362007-09-01T17:54:00.000-04:002007-09-01T17:54:00.000-04:00Dear Stefan, Yeah, I wasn't sure of the right word...Dear Stefan, Yeah, I wasn't sure of the right word to use. Bee, in the relative transhuman scale (!) is young, but she is not 20, which is the 'young' that was in my mind when I wrote that.<BR/><BR/>If I was told at age 20 that I was a crackpot, or that I was not capable of performing science or if I was told that my boyfriend/spouse/partner probably did my scientific work for me, then it would amaragrapshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15769062084934190681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-58242239972232121982007-09-01T14:34:00.000-04:002007-09-01T14:34:00.000-04:00Hi Bee,I inserted the paragraph about Lisa's appea...Hi Bee,<BR/><BR/>I inserted the paragraph about Lisa's appearance at the beginning because my posts start easy and then get harder / a way to avoid non-physicists from escaping too early on. That is the extent of my attention-seeking... I really did not think I would have generated that kind of backlash, honest.<BR/>Of course we are no beginners and we know what gets attention and what does not -Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-55992109389864107132007-09-01T14:11:00.000-04:002007-09-01T14:11:00.000-04:00Thanks Amara. Well, I don't know about him, but Lu...Thanks Amara. Well, I don't know about him, but Lubos is certainly not my 'archnemesis'. I think I left a comment at that CV post who came into my mind immediately ;-)Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-40229405510374081532007-09-01T13:57:00.000-04:002007-09-01T13:57:00.000-04:00Dear Amara,I guess you wanted to write you're not ...Dear Amara,<BR/><BR/>I guess you wanted to write <I>you're not naive and impressionable</I> instead of <I>you're not young and impressionable</I> ;-)<BR/><BR/>Cheers, Stefanstefanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09495628046446378453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-32244541000500890452007-09-01T13:54:00.000-04:002007-09-01T13:54:00.000-04:00Dear Bee: I'm really sorry about Lubos. Have you c...Dear Bee: I'm really sorry about Lubos. Have you considered that maybe you are his <A HREF="http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/03/28/evil-genius/" REL="nofollow">archnemesis</A>? Fortunately you're not young and impressionable, ;-) and you have some wisdom and experience. Especially about him. <BR/>Happy move.. this time and the next one too. Ciao.amaragrapshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15769062084934190681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-98804267403962792007-09-01T11:31:00.000-04:002007-09-01T11:31:00.000-04:00Dear Prof. Anonymous:LM is a failed physicist, he ...Dear Prof. Anonymous:<BR/><BR/><I>LM is a failed physicist, he knows it and he's bitter. Don't let failures affect your mood. </I><BR/><BR/>Thanks. You know, I can live with being called a crackpot, but what pisses me off is Lubos calling me an <I>'appendix'</I> of Prof. Smolin, and accuses me of <I>'parroting'</I> Lee's nonsense. Hey, if I talk about Science and Democracy, DSR, Black Holes, Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-62595871494165916092007-09-01T11:09:00.000-04:002007-09-01T11:09:00.000-04:00Hi There,Thanks for the kind words. In fact, I did...Hi There,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the kind words. In fact, I didn't get drunk, I guess I'm too girly with my drinking habits ;-) (Okay, the true reason is that my bottle opener is in one of these boxes around me, but I don't know which. And I wasn't in the mood to ask the neighbor, who btw is one of my reasons for moving out.) <BR/><BR/>That is to say, I am about to plug out the modem and actually Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-84187156833604273462007-09-01T10:47:00.000-04:002007-09-01T10:47:00.000-04:00..in the role of "Heroic Defender of Womanhood" he...<I>..in the role of "Heroic Defender of Womanhood" he loses any sense of irony, as well as most of his common sense</I><BR/><BR/>True for almost anything they talk about except physics.Arunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03451666670728177970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-74216903108491036272007-09-01T10:31:00.000-04:002007-09-01T10:31:00.000-04:00Bee,Having now read Clifford post, I have to agree...Bee,<BR/><BR/>Having now read Clifford post, I have to agree with you that there seems little substantive difference - except for his hysterically fluttering first paragragh - which I at first thought might be deliberate parody.<BR/><BR/>I learned long ago that when Sean puts on his makeup in the role of "Heroic Defender of Womanhood" he loses any sense of irony, as well as most of his common Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-12595721401477314042007-09-01T06:13:00.000-04:002007-09-01T06:13:00.000-04:00as a side remark, Tommaso's post has degenerated i...<I>as a side remark, Tommaso's post has degenerated into a crackpot-calling. I am going to change my imood into 'pissed off' and get seriously drunk. have fun yelling at each other, and a nice weekend to all of you.</I><BR/><BR/>I really hope you don't mean the "drunk" part.<BR/><BR/>"Go do something else..see a movie, read a poem [ do some Art, get away from the Science ]"<BR/>-- Leon Lederman, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-62802672924254192382007-08-31T23:43:00.000-04:002007-08-31T23:43:00.000-04:00I seriously wonder if one day it wouldn't simply b...I seriously wonder if one day it wouldn't simply be better if we all had holograms that distorted our race/gender/looks while at work like in a Phillip K Dick novel.<BR/><BR/>That way we wouldn't have to put up with the incredibably annoying whine and smug self righteousness put up by the victimization crowd at every opportunity.<BR/><BR/>Thats sort of the beauty of the internet, and the reason Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-67902597849394046702007-08-31T23:27:00.000-04:002007-08-31T23:27:00.000-04:00Yet LM deliberately tries to undermine the confide...<I>Yet LM deliberately tries to undermine the confidence of Bee here, and where are CVJ, Sean Carroll, Mark Trodden and the rest of the gang?</I><BR/><BR/>Never EVER make the mistake of counting on any of them.<BR/><BR/>Bee, pissed off, yes; pissed, no please!Arunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03451666670728177970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-61295516942438521872007-08-31T23:09:00.000-04:002007-08-31T23:09:00.000-04:00"I am going to change my imood into 'pissed off' a..."I am going to change my imood into 'pissed off' and get seriously drunk."<BR/><BR/>It's sad that Tommaso D can make a statement about the appearance of a physics celebrity, one which nobody claims has actually harmed Prof Randall, and hundreds of anguished posts get written. Yet LM deliberately tries to undermine the confidence of Bee here, and where are CVJ, Sean Carroll, Mark Trodden and the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-55815000435715239052007-08-31T19:13:00.000-04:002007-08-31T19:13:00.000-04:00Arun, in his blog personna (which I didn't read be...Arun, in his blog personna (which I didn't read before and I have no idea if that is who he is), there was a tone of taunting and sarcasm. Probably the communication would have gone a lot better if those who were offended thought that a listening ear on the other end was possible. <BR/><BR/>Me, I'm used to drama going on in flashes all around me because that is the society I live in. But I'm not amaragrapshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15769062084934190681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-76775292499416438112007-08-31T18:41:00.000-04:002007-08-31T18:41:00.000-04:00as a side remark, Tommaso's post has degenerated i...as a side remark, Tommaso's post has degenerated into a crackpot-calling. I am going to change my imood into 'pissed off' and get seriously drunk. have fun yelling at each other, and a nice weekend to all of you. <BR/><BR/>best,<BR/><BR/>B.Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-14469499638321642292007-08-31T18:30:00.000-04:002007-08-31T18:30:00.000-04:00Amara,If the physicists had discussed the physics,...Amara,<BR/><BR/>If the physicists had discussed the physics, and said, oh, btw, Tommaso, that para on what Lisa R. wore makes me uncomfortable, that would have been the appropriate way to deal with it.<BR/><BR/>The pitchforks and cudgels should be reserved for repeat offender.<BR/><BR/>Think about it this way. In the business world, you are taught that if someone commits a solecism in public, youArunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03451666670728177970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-46023274095133297882007-08-31T18:23:00.000-04:002007-08-31T18:23:00.000-04:00Dear Clifford, dear Chanda,thank you for your stat...Dear Clifford, dear Chanda,<BR/><BR/><BR/>thank you for your statements! <BR/><BR/>So, I wonder if we can agree that the main problem about Tommaso's paragraph describing Lisa Randall's physical appearance is that it may, to the uninitiated random reader, perpetuate the unfortunate impression that physics still is a matter of sexist males, where women are not appreciated for their scientific stefanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09495628046446378453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-58503605751823271562007-08-31T17:20:00.000-04:002007-08-31T17:20:00.000-04:00Dear Bee, given that he started that paragraph wit...Dear Bee, given that he started that paragraph with: "If you allow a slip to inappropriate comments...", and then continued (!), and given that he knew well his global community and audience, and knowing how Italians like to joke, this looks more and more to me like Tommaso was pulling a prank. His blog hit rate probably went through the roof. (heh... Maybe his ISP will charge him for the spike ;amaragrapshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15769062084934190681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-81378496616642880432007-08-31T16:29:00.000-04:002007-08-31T16:29:00.000-04:00Hi Clifford:Well, I give up. I just want to mentio...Hi Clifford:<BR/><BR/>Well, I give up. I just want to mention one last time that your use of words like 'respectful', 'embarrassing', 'erring on the side of caution' or 'polluted atmospheres' express your point of view. These are a subjective perceptions, and not the absolute of 'right' - a matter that you are apparently unwilling to acknowledge. It's a subjective perception that might not be Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-19235823464869128532007-08-31T16:19:00.000-04:002007-08-31T16:19:00.000-04:00Hi Peter:Thanks, I appreciate that.Hi Chanda:I thi...Hi Peter:<BR/><BR/>Thanks, I appreciate that.<BR/><BR/>Hi Chanda:<BR/><BR/>I think you have misunderstood Peter's comment. I think he tried to point out that what bothers me is Clifford's unwillingness to accept that not everybody shares his opinion on what damages 'the cause of women in the field'. In fact, each time I ask him to acknowledge I disagree on something, he says I misrepresent him, Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-27679273474756418022007-08-31T16:15:00.000-04:002007-08-31T16:15:00.000-04:00Bee,As I said already, let's agree to disagree. I ...Bee,<BR/><BR/>As I said already, let's agree to disagree. I can't see how else to say what I have already said. I'm sorry. My stating my opinion (on any topic) is not the same as declaring that everyone else is wrong by assumption, ok? This is why we have conversations and discussions about each others' opinions.<BR/><BR/>Of course there are other points of view, and other perceptions on the cvjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11877721142551713474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-36849833365557318842007-08-31T16:08:00.000-04:002007-08-31T16:08:00.000-04:00Chanda,I think I'll follow my own advice here...Chanda,<BR/><BR/>I think I'll follow my own advice here...notevenwronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05032274360567403443noreply@blogger.com