tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post6489580301736615989..comments2023-09-27T07:44:19.769-04:00Comments on Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: Revenge of the NerdsSabine Hossenfelderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-60715004274687306242008-11-23T08:15:00.000-05:002008-11-23T08:15:00.000-05:00Hi Neil,“Phil, I don't think Bohm's QM is the most...Hi Neil,<BR/><BR/>“Phil, I don't think Bohm's QM is the most-accepted view right now ("pilot waves" are considered clunky by most.) I was criticizing many-worlds and decoherence, what do you think of that?<BR/><BR/>Clunky, well that is certainly a different criticism then others I’ve come across, yet it is in the same spirit as most, like for instance Einstein complaining it was “cheap”. As I Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-39881923409405923122008-11-22T20:25:00.000-05:002008-11-22T20:25:00.000-05:00Phil, I don't think Bohm's QM is the most-accepted...Phil, I don't think Bohm's QM is the most-accepted view right now ("pilot waves" are considered clunky by most.) I was criticizing many-worlds and decoherence, what do you think of that?Neil Bateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04564859009749481136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-26582782839246467482008-11-22T07:24:00.000-05:002008-11-22T07:24:00.000-05:00Hi Neil,“Here's something for the World's best ner...Hi Neil,<BR/><BR/>“Here's something for the World's best nerds to try and sort out”<BR/><BR/>It has already been done and for sometime, that is by <A HREF="http://www.david-bohm.net/" REL="nofollow">David Bohm</A> in <A HREF="http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PR/v85/i2/p166_1" REL="nofollow">1952</A>. For an <A HREF="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qm-bohm/" REL="nofollow">overview</A> read <A Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-30832056316431753842008-11-21T10:11:00.000-05:002008-11-21T10:11:00.000-05:00Here's something for the World's best nerds to try...Here's something for the World's best nerds to try and sort out: The quantum collapse problem and whether "many-worlds/decoherence" is a suitable or even legitimate (non-fallacious) argument to "explain" it. I say no. There are big thread-for-alls over at <A HREF="http://scienceblogs.com/principles/2008/11/manyworlds_and_decoherence.php#commentsArea" REL="nofollow">Uncertain Principles</A> and <ANeil Bateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04564859009749481136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-18438689673354618682008-11-18T20:26:00.000-05:002008-11-18T20:26:00.000-05:00Hi Bee,“I stand to my nerdiness ;-)”I’m with you a...Hi Bee,<BR/><BR/>“I stand to my nerdiness ;-)”<BR/><BR/>I’m with you as it’s only an acronym for Neurologically Enhanced Reasoning Dudes (or Dames) ;-)<BR/><BR/>Best,<BR/><BR/>PhilPhil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-32643015457873222882008-11-18T10:06:00.000-05:002008-11-18T10:06:00.000-05:00I stand to my nerdiness ;-)I stand to my nerdiness ;-)Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-14073117854585012292008-11-18T08:34:00.000-05:002008-11-18T08:34:00.000-05:00The real revenge will be if we ever manage to lose...The real revenge will be if we ever manage to lose the nerd word. I find it terribly insulting for my students. <BR/>It's time scientists stood up to this sort of labeling from the media - for our own sakes, and for the sake of all those young monds that are put off the subject.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-43708994945017287152008-11-17T15:25:00.000-05:002008-11-17T15:25:00.000-05:00"...Science they say, is the new religion. For cer..."...Science they say, is the new religion. For certain it's a belief system and a philosophy about life and the rhythms of the universe. When it comes down to it, religion and science are each ways of asking questions about the intangible..."<BR/><BR/>Argh, no! Science is NOT a belief system, and it certainly is NOT about "intangibles"...How could this writer get this so wrong?<BR/><BR/>On the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-18520315691284886992008-11-17T08:50:00.000-05:002008-11-17T08:50:00.000-05:00Hi Eric,I didn't delete any comment in this thread...Hi Eric,<BR/><BR/>I didn't delete any comment in this thread. I'm about to delete the above spam message though. Also, the comments are identical to those in my inbox, except for one of Phil who apparently corrected a typo. This means if you think one of your comments is missing, you didn't submit it. I have no clue which Steve you are referring to. Best,<BR/><BR/>B.Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-62166632224897932972008-11-17T07:14:00.000-05:002008-11-17T07:14:00.000-05:00Hi Eric,As far as I can tell Bee didn’t remove any...Hi Eric,<BR/><BR/>As far as I can tell Bee didn’t remove any post, although I did remove one of my own due to an error which I corrected. I see no response in regards to my pointing out your logical errors in regards to legitimate debate. Actually, error correction is also a deep principle within science, where nothing is so sacred that it cannot be challenged as to be corrected. If there is Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-74574360733396170382008-11-16T22:25:00.000-05:002008-11-16T22:25:00.000-05:00Bee,Was my post so threatening that it had to be r...Bee,<BR/>Was my post so threatening that it had to be removed. What I was saying was that one should use the same parameters for judging belief whether it is regarding religion or in science. Doing otherwise, as you were doing in your original interpretation, invites criticism.<BR/><BR/>It seems to me you are being quite unfair in removing my post but not removing Steve's response to it. Again, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-43565389783238149992008-11-16T21:07:00.000-05:002008-11-16T21:07:00.000-05:00Hi Eric,“then I think the guy on the street will h...Hi Eric,<BR/><BR/>“then I think the guy on the street will have every excuse to lose respect for those "practicing" science, but not science itself. I will await the results and hope the science community surprises me.”<BR/><BR/>Do the termss <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring_%28logical_fallacy%29#Red_herring" REL="nofollow">"Red Herring"</A> or <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-40135388058618423692008-11-16T20:55:00.000-05:002008-11-16T20:55:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-29194944871290449422008-11-16T20:37:00.000-05:002008-11-16T20:37:00.000-05:00Hi Bee,“The difference is that in science the old ...Hi Bee,<BR/><BR/>“The difference is that in science the old farts die and the young move on”<BR/><BR/>“I resemble that remark! :-)<BR/>-Moe (one of The Three Stooges)<BR/><BR/>LOL. I wouldn’t pass this on to any of the tenured professors:-)<BR/><BR/>Best,<BR/><BR/>PhilPhil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-43970027517044428552008-11-16T20:16:00.000-05:002008-11-16T20:16:00.000-05:00Hi Phil,I agree that human foibles can be seen as ...Hi Phil,<BR/><BR/>I agree that human foibles can be seen as a limitation on the otherwise high-minded aspects of the practice of science. But I think it is incorrect, and actually dangerous, to the progress of physics to continually strive to minimize the effect those problems incur.<BR/><BR/>Without stretching the point too much there ARE principles in religion that do have scientific principlesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-6834494898658066792008-11-16T20:12:00.000-05:002008-11-16T20:12:00.000-05:00Hi Eric,The difference is that in science the old ...Hi Eric,<BR/><BR/>The difference is that in science the old farts die and the young move on, whereas in religion the old farts become immortal and the young are stuck with thousand year old books. Best,<BR/><BR/>B.Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-66615196240769372882008-11-16T19:48:00.000-05:002008-11-16T19:48:00.000-05:00Hi Eric,“Science, after all is a human endeavor an...Hi Eric,<BR/><BR/>“Science, after all is a human endeavor and is subject to all the human foibles any other human endeavor is, including deluded belief systems.”<BR/><BR/>Now this is a loaded statement if I’ve ever heard one. The way I would see it is that science is a methodology of reasoning about reality that fortunately was discovered by some humans which exists in its own right with no Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-83905506684213473912008-11-16T18:12:00.000-05:002008-11-16T18:12:00.000-05:00"Science they say, is the new religion. For certai..."Science they say, is the new religion. For certain it's a belief system and a philosophy about life and the rhythms of the universe. When it comes down to it, religion and science are each ways of asking questions about the intangible."<BR/><BR/>Bee,<BR/>I think your quibble about this comment might be lessened if you viewed science more in the way it is really done, rather than the elevated Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-91650354236142103492008-11-16T17:29:00.000-05:002008-11-16T17:29:00.000-05:00The Perimeter Institute speaks volumes to see what...The Perimeter Institute speaks volumes to see what surfaces [usually about c^3kA/4(h-bar)G].Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-84915361612976677812008-11-16T14:51:00.000-05:002008-11-16T14:51:00.000-05:00Hi Stefan,I must apologize for straying off topic ...Hi Stefan,<BR/><BR/>I must apologize for straying off topic as what was expressed is more of a philosophical difference then anything else. With things of this nature I should be more mindful to take it elsewhere, like to his own blog perhaps:-)<BR/><BR/>Best,<BR/><BR/>PhilPhil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-78700200858005439242008-11-16T14:33:00.000-05:002008-11-16T14:33:00.000-05:00Hi Plato, Phil,aeh, sorry, what are you talking ab...Hi Plato, Phil,<BR/><BR/>aeh, sorry, what are you talking about? Am I missing something?<BR/><BR/>Cheers, Stefanstefanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09495628046446378453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-48492559855473482142008-11-16T14:06:00.000-05:002008-11-16T14:06:00.000-05:00Hi Plato,Have you not noticed the rise in pseudo s...Hi Plato,<BR/><BR/>Have you not noticed the rise in pseudo science in recent years or do you simply fail to recognize not only the reasons for its growth yet also what as being its motivation. I am surprised that one who holds the emotive aspect of nature in being so central would appear to doubt such inferences as being true. <BR/><BR/>Best,<BR/><BR/>PhilPhil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-3040596855797296392008-11-16T13:35:00.000-05:002008-11-16T13:35:00.000-05:00Just when I thought it was getting bad with Stefan...Just when I thought it was getting bad with Stefan's article" Solitons, Crystal and such," his suspicions in relation to LHC and earlier lawsuit, now it has really gone to hell with this.<BR/><BR/>It seems some would like to appoint by suspicion "categories to parts of society" when the human failings are evident even within that 5% of the related industry. Does not make it okay.<BR/><BR/>Who is PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-43036412874961414772008-11-16T12:55:00.000-05:002008-11-16T12:55:00.000-05:00Hi Bee,“Bryan Farnum is an ordinary man with extra...Hi Bee,<BR/><BR/>“Bryan Farnum is an ordinary man with extraordinary gifts granted to him by our Creator in order to help mankind. Bryan has been described as an Oracle of Truth because of his ability to discern all levels of Truth.”<BR/><BR/>-From his website<BR/><BR/>Interesting, with the talents he maintains who needs science to begin with? However you attempt to lessen his notoriety has Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-50518546704203127192008-11-16T12:38:00.000-05:002008-11-16T12:38:00.000-05:00In this context, I want to share this email I just...In this context, I want to share this email I just recieved:<BR/><BR/><I>"To Quantum Gravity Researchers, The Perimeter Institute, Waterloo<BR/><BR/>Please accept the offer of Bryan Farnum, Oracle of Truth, to all world leaders, scientists, and people of the world to listen to www.----, Truth Radio Broadcast on Sundays at 8 pm EST. Mr. Farnum will be talking about gravity on the November 16, Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.com