tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post5542555467610815290..comments2023-09-27T07:44:19.769-04:00Comments on Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: Learning to deal with informationSabine Hossenfelderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-80601130515195857922010-06-02T05:15:34.279-04:002010-06-02T05:15:34.279-04:00Thanks, will have a look!Thanks, will have a look!Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-57967994017584405742010-06-01T12:06:26.009-04:002010-06-01T12:06:26.009-04:00Hi Bee, thought you might like this
http://theillu...Hi Bee, thought you might like this<br /><a href="http://theillusionofcertainty.com/Press%20and%20Reviews/CMAJ%20Article,%205-20-08.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://theillusionofcertainty.com/Press%20and%20Reviews/CMAJ%20Article,%205-20-08.pdf</a><br /><br />PDF File. A way to convey risk information to patients.Arunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03451666670728177970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-2537334959244376872010-05-29T11:17:19.946-04:002010-05-29T11:17:19.946-04:00Hi Phil,
If I was the White House, my blog wouldn...Hi Phil,<br /><br />If I was the White House, my blog wouldn't have comments either. From all the places where you can find misinformation, blog's comment sections are by far the worst. Best,<br /><br />B.Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-48238885525134917882010-05-29T07:56:53.352-04:002010-05-29T07:56:53.352-04:00Hi Bee,
I didn’t mean that you were suggesting a ...Hi Bee,<br /><br />I didn’t mean that you were suggesting a metrified approach, yet merely to agree with you this is the way it has been approached up until now. What Google has done is transplant a model that has a quality control mechanism built in being academia which has no direct correlation with the world in general. The bottom line being there is not much other than popularity and Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-27935762087946255272010-05-28T15:04:21.992-04:002010-05-28T15:04:21.992-04:00Hi Phil,
I don't think I indicated that I bel...Hi Phil,<br /><br />I don't think I indicated that I believe information literacy (or lack thereof) is best dealt with by metrics. That's certainly not the case. However, a dumb use of metrics certainly doesn't improve the situation, so it's an obvious first step to ask if not there's a smarter way to sort information, one that is more beneficial. Best,<br /><br />B.Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-7666467844913225642010-05-28T12:46:26.238-04:002010-05-28T12:46:26.238-04:00Hi Steven,
Yes, that's exactly the question: ...Hi Steven,<br /><br />Yes, that's exactly the question: who has the time to read all of that? Nobody. That's why unstructured information is useless information. The more information there is, the more important it becomes that one can find what one needs to know, or possibly find that it's just not known. Best,<br /><br />B.Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-62258447330819129482010-05-28T10:43:38.889-04:002010-05-28T10:43:38.889-04:00Hi Kay,
Well, I too type questions into Google :-...Hi Kay,<br /><br />Well, I too type questions into Google :-) In some cases it's actually useful. I do this for example when I'm uncertain about an English idiom or a grammar rule. (I don't care very much what's the "officially" correct version, I just want to know if people will understand it.) Other things where Google information is quite useful is travel tips, or Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-71593821845159648212010-05-28T10:26:02.092-04:002010-05-28T10:26:02.092-04:00Hi Tim vB,
Yes, I've heard of the semantic we...Hi Tim vB,<br /><br />Yes, I've heard of the semantic web. What I'm saying is to couple the tagging to an intelligent order-mechanism, similar to what PageRank does.<br /><br /><i>"All of this could make you despair, but I am filled with confidece: See, they do not understand and God takes care of them nevertheless :-)<br /><br />Does the internet up- or downgrade this problem? I do Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-36118114802405734292010-05-28T10:06:28.761-04:002010-05-28T10:06:28.761-04:00I forget which book of Hawking's it was, Time ...I forget which book of Hawking's it was, Time or Nutshell, but I think he made reference that in either 2008 or 2015, given the current rate of publication given the time when he wrote it, that the number of published scientific papers in Physics would equal and then begin to exceed one paper per minute.<br /><br />And who has the time to read all that, even the abstracts?<br /><br />BloggingSteven Colyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10435759210177642257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-48104235780316908152010-05-28T10:05:04.187-04:002010-05-28T10:05:04.187-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Steven Colyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10435759210177642257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-50964365909449862782010-05-28T09:53:24.326-04:002010-05-28T09:53:24.326-04:00Hi Bee,
I found it too scary, that people type in...Hi Bee,<br /><br />I found it too scary, that people type in questions into Google to find something. How is it with scientific work ? You need to be an expert to value this kind of work. And you can find any kind of scientific (good and bad) work on the web.<br /><br />Once I have red that chocolate is able to prevent people from cancer and that there has been made an examination with people Kay zum Feldehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04233793196547147876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-50653456559703930362010-05-28T08:36:39.240-04:002010-05-28T08:36:39.240-04:00Dear Bee,
I thought that it would easily be possi...Dear Bee,<br /><br /><i>I thought that it would easily be possible to tag a link with a (hidden) attribute that tells why you're linking to this site.</i><br /><br />That's an idea that uses concepts of the "sematic web", I suppose you heard the buzzword before?<br /><br />With regard to information processing: <br /><br />1. I know many people who believe everything said in Tim vBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01211716548936775210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-20892895054768014222010-05-28T08:09:42.723-04:002010-05-28T08:09:42.723-04:00Dear Arun,
I was indeed thinking of something ver...Dear Arun,<br /><br />I was indeed thinking of something very similar, though more simplistic. I thought that it would easily be possible to tag a link with a (hidden) attribute that tells why you're linking to this site. There might be different criteria, eg accuracy, or maybe you're linking there exactly because it's inaccurate! Or because it's funny, or you like the design, orSabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-4773650735900168812010-05-28T07:37:15.965-04:002010-05-28T07:37:15.965-04:00Hi Bee,
You are indeed warranted to be concerned ...Hi Bee,<br /><br />You are indeed warranted to be concerned about how information is gathered and accessed. The real question being however, is to ask if this is primarily a process that’s best dealt with by simply applying metrics, which attempts to quantify things or rather a process that demands first that who is doing the gathering and assessment care that they have things understood right; Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-39985217019732617202010-05-27T18:13:20.906-04:002010-05-27T18:13:20.906-04:00Hi Bee,
One could come up with a page rank algori...Hi Bee,<br /><br />One could come up with a page rank algorithm different from Google, where items linked to by good sources are rated higher. One would need some semantic analysis to know whether the good source is confirming or criticizing the linked source.<br /><br />One would set up one's good sources first, and since it takes human effort and expertise, it would almost certainly have Arunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03451666670728177970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-68857907795168695552010-05-27T16:09:14.233-04:002010-05-27T16:09:14.233-04:00Hi Christi,
"The sin of trusting too much Go...Hi Christi,<br /><br /><i>"The sin of trusting too much Google's results is similar to the sin of trusting too much the authorities of the day, the citations, recommendations, keywords, credentials. "</i><br /><br />That's true and indeed very similar to what I was saying. However, the internet vastly amplifies any effects because of its much better connectivity and faster pulseSabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-5159984074672271792010-05-27T15:43:45.628-04:002010-05-27T15:43:45.628-04:00Nice image
Penrose's image is nice too.
Thi...<a href="http://www.prime-spot.de/Bilder/BR/science21poster.jpg" rel="nofollow">Nice image</a><br /><br />Penrose's <a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cldxKGOzgeM/S0Ig3CPtV5I/AAAAAAAACeE/ByLe5aAIsZ0/s200/Roger+Penrose.jpg" title="Science and the Mind<br />Dr. Roger Penrose, Oxford University<br />" rel="nofollow">image</a> is nice too.<br /><br />This process is based on a inductive/PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-91696820459956210812010-05-27T15:04:47.296-04:002010-05-27T15:04:47.296-04:00Okay, you might of thought Information Triangle? I...Okay, you might of thought <a href="http://www.google.com/cse?cx=017109456464837625243%3Amhrxcl2t5ba&q=The+Information+Triangle&sa=Search+Backreaction&siteurl=backreaction.blogspot.com%2F2010%2F05%2Flearning-to-deal-with-information.html" rel="nofollow">Information Triangle</a>? I did. So let's go with that.<br /><br />We understand that one has set the parameters within their ownPlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-25631197247735293622010-05-27T14:56:12.668-04:002010-05-27T14:56:12.668-04:00A skilled and motivated polity capable of informed...A skilled and motivated polity capable of informed critical thought is monstrous. Hegemony is rule unfettered by facts other than those born as required. Would you end the Space Scuttle, social advocacy, vest pocket wars, Homeland Severity, drug and vice enforcement, juryless tax courts... entire cultures founded upon fear, privation, baksheesh, and <i>stukachi</i>?<br /><br />The annual Uncle Alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05056804084187606211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-86646348490367619882010-05-27T14:54:15.996-04:002010-05-27T14:54:15.996-04:00Page ranking source within Backreaction based on w...Page ranking source within Backreaction based on word "information."<br /><br />I was looking for something specific, in terms of processing. Guess which one? :)<br /><br /><i>#<br />Backreaction: The Black Hole Information Loss Paradox<br />24 Jun 2008 ... OK, you might say, what's the point of this if no information can escape ... When the black hole evaporates, if the informationPlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-19257234389366344452010-05-27T14:42:33.187-04:002010-05-27T14:42:33.187-04:00Dear Bee,
there was a time when newbies become fa...Dear Bee,<br /><br />there was a time when newbies become famous and rich overnight with amateurish websites, competing with giants with long traditions. An era of inflation, when money was created out of nothing, by SEO techniques, before the dot-com bubble, and before Google started dealing the cards.<br /><br />Google's PageRank not only helped to create a more relevant ranking of web Cristi Stoicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00577217435388643300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-70078068074849683482010-05-27T12:23:39.784-04:002010-05-27T12:23:39.784-04:00Dear Arun,
I have had very similar thoughts, but ...Dear Arun,<br /><br />I have had very similar thoughts, but I'm still waiting for it to happen. The question is of course, where does the expertise come from? Best,<br /><br />B.Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-83682741950268747352010-05-27T12:10:45.149-04:002010-05-27T12:10:45.149-04:00Dear Bee,
Someone will next invent an information...Dear Bee,<br /><br />Someone will next invent an information rating service. E.g., you do your google search and pipe its results into your favorite information rating service, and it provides a rank possibly different from google, based on the expertise built into the rating service.<br /><br />Then of course, there will be a proliferation of such services, especially for things of common Arunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03451666670728177970noreply@blogger.com