tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post4862064475905158732..comments2023-09-27T07:44:19.769-04:00Comments on Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: 350 years Royal SocietySabine Hossenfelderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-70620826749068108822010-02-16T08:43:55.538-05:002010-02-16T08:43:55.538-05:00I did a quick search on Backreaction site with the...I did a quick search on Backreaction site with the key words "on line journals" so one can be exposed a bit to the thinking we've gone through the years here. <br /><br />This is important I think to understand where we have been and where we are going.<br /><br /><i><a href="http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2008/02/why-20-for-paper.html#c4506004888801676566" title="Why $20 for a PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-67690469768110974452010-02-15T15:43:39.148-05:002010-02-15T15:43:39.148-05:00A yearning for Truth must be embedded within the s...<a href="http://eskesthai.blogspot.com/2009/12/yearning-for-truth.html" title="A Yearning for Truth-Tuesday, December 29, 2009" rel="nofollow">A yearning for Truth</a> must be embedded within the society which seeks to garner that truth?<br /><br />The library if thought in a "wider perspective" as a place for information storage what was to have thought access to this would have been PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-2484855786457836522010-02-14T12:01:40.488-05:002010-02-14T12:01:40.488-05:00Hi Bee,
”This possibility is one of the reasons w...Hi Bee,<br /><br /><i>”This possibility is one of the reasons we should be very careful with how we store information.”</i><br /><br />Yes I’ve had similar thoughts especially with the concept of “the data cloud” which I mentioned to Stefan. That is it might be prudent to still have things in what you call desd tree format as this to me seems more vulnerable than the fabled library of AlexandriaPhil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-78692948577256383852010-02-14T11:29:46.686-05:002010-02-14T11:29:46.686-05:00Hi Phil,
The choice of journals is to a very larg...Hi Phil,<br /><br />The choice of journals is to a very large extend a community issue. You just (try to) publish in journals where most other people also publish, simply because that's the journals they pay attention to and that they will recognize. If you look at other arXives than hep-th/gr-qc, you'll notice that other journals dominate. <br /><br />In any case, yes of course I Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-62562882694593590672010-02-14T08:52:32.582-05:002010-02-14T08:52:32.582-05:00Hi Bee,
So basically are you saying the PT is not...Hi Bee,<br /><br />So basically are you saying the PT is not the proper place for what you work on, or rather those other mentioned are the ones more popular and thus most likely to have the work noticed as to be recognized? Also I wondered as consistent with the dialogue between me and Stefan, if it ever crossed your mind that someone several hundred years from now could be reading one of your Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-85350262755483753192010-02-14T02:24:01.761-05:002010-02-14T02:24:01.761-05:00Hi Phil,
No, I've never submitted a paper ther...Hi Phil,<br />No, I've never submitted a paper there. I publish most of my papers in Physical Review D, Physics Letters B, or Classical and Quantum Gravity, depending somewhat on the content of the paper and/or its length. Best,<br /><br />B.Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-45822792639670635012010-02-13T17:30:14.817-05:002010-02-13T17:30:14.817-05:00Hi Stefan,
Yes I also think universities would se...Hi Stefan,<br /><br />Yes I also think universities would serve as the best conduit for journal access by the general public, then of course there would have to be some mechanism and formula for sharing the revenue with the journals themselves. In as it would be via computer access the share could be determined by the download ratios relevant to the respective journals. <br /><br />Of course Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-26440033742110856652010-02-13T16:44:45.801-05:002010-02-13T16:44:45.801-05:00Hi Phil,
concerning your remark about access to p...Hi Phil,<br /><br />concerning your remark about access to papers - I think the most natural way to organize online access to scientific journals and archives would be via university libraries. <br /><br />At least in Germany, it is possible for anyone to use, for a very moderate annual fee or even for free, the library of your next university. <br /><br />Unfortunately, this allows access to stefanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09495628046446378453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-58097979369356767262010-02-13T16:30:07.381-05:002010-02-13T16:30:07.381-05:00Hi Phil,
thanks for pointing out the papers by S...Hi Phil,<br /><br /><br />thanks for pointing out the papers by Stephen Grey ("Experiments and Observations upon the Light That is Produced by Communicating Electrical Attraction to Animal or Inanimate Bodies", <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1098/rstl.1735.0006" rel="nofollow"><b>39</b> (1735) 16-24</a>) and Michael Faraday ("Experimental Researches in Electricity. Twenty-Ninth stefanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09495628046446378453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-54801675540325998312010-02-13T14:59:18.997-05:002010-02-13T14:59:18.997-05:00I am of course in agreement with some of Phil'...I am of course in agreement with some of Phil's thoughts,<i>With that said as you know I truly do wish that a way could be found to having all journals free and open access, without threatening their independence or financial underpinnings.</i><br /><br /><a href="http://usasearch.gov/search?v%3aproject=firstgov-noaa-images&v%3afile=viv_1157%4019%3abqCiqb&v%3aframe=viewimage&v%PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-8010884089882640702010-02-13T11:45:36.074-05:002010-02-13T11:45:36.074-05:00Hi Bee,
I was curious if you ever submitted a pap...Hi Bee,<br /><br />I was curious if you ever submitted a paper to the Philosophical Transactions? In part why I ask is prompted by searching for paper’s by David Hilbert particularly to those related to General Relativity and also those by Roger Penrose in respect to his work on Black Holes. Unless I’m doing something wrong it appears neither had articles published in the journal. It had me Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-86926008173835978992010-02-13T11:05:55.393-05:002010-02-13T11:05:55.393-05:00Hi Stefan,
I certainly enjoyed the links to the p...Hi Stefan,<br /><br />I certainly enjoyed the links to the papers you pointed to yet as you can imagine my feelings extend to those less likely to have ever been expected to have been able to contribute much to extending our understandings of the physical world. I think then it would hard to deny thet Stephen Grey and Michael Faraday would be amoung my favourites and interestingly enough are Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-81717164450162733832010-02-13T10:59:24.288-05:002010-02-13T10:59:24.288-05:00Khriachtchev, Nature 406 874 (2000) Trace HF in 7...Khriachtchev, Nature 406 874 (2000) Trace HF in 7.3 K frozen argon matrix UV photolyzed, then HArF; 27 K decomposition. Uncle Al erred by 0.05 kcal/mole.<br /><br />Stephan's examples are eloquent. Science is discovery. Quantized gravitations, SUSY, the Higgs, dark matter (two detections? humbug) are unwell. Test the <i>massed</i> sector with opposite geometric parity atomic mass Uncle Alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05056804084187606211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-38891210868868377742010-02-13T10:03:49.582-05:002010-02-13T10:03:49.582-05:00Does anybody know whether the older papers are sti...Does anybody know whether the older papers are still copyrighted anyway? I know next to nothing about copyright in the UK, but I think I vaguely recall in Germany copyright has a timeout after 70 years. Best,<br /><br />B.Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-69137005591438712812010-02-13T09:23:07.875-05:002010-02-13T09:23:07.875-05:00I hadn't thought earlier of the interesting an...I hadn't thought earlier of the interesting and appropriate coincidence of the 350th of Royal Society and 400th of Galileo's most important findings (also celebrated last year, but close enough.) And Isaac Newton was born the same year Galileo died. In a similar premonitory coincidance (sic), Albert Einstein was born the same year as James Clerk Maxwell's death (but can't be Neil Bateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04564859009749481136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-8239918522573584282010-02-13T08:05:39.910-05:002010-02-13T08:05:39.910-05:00Hi Stefan,
Many thanks for this nice post hightli...Hi Stefan,<br /><br />Many thanks for this nice post hightlighting the Royal Society’s and with it the 350th anniversary of the Philosophical Transaction’s. I can also assure you at least for my part you’re not going to be out ten buck’s, although I noticed you weren’t confident enough to have that be ten Euros:-) However, I have to confess that I wasn’t aware the journal has allowed free Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-45153840387457797962010-02-13T04:37:42.451-05:002010-02-13T04:37:42.451-05:0010 bucks says Phil Warnell and Plato are all over ...10 bucks says Phil Warnell and Plato are all over this one! :-)<br /><br />Phil has a nice piece about the lesser known Stephen Gray from that period<a href="http://decartes-einstein.blogspot.com/2008/03/historical-memethings-about-stephan.html" rel="nofollow"> here.</a><br /><br />What little I know of the era and the dawn of the Royal Society comes from Neal Stephenson's novel, <a href="Steven Colyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10435759210177642257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-39458156817374174312010-02-13T01:20:47.797-05:002010-02-13T01:20:47.797-05:00Those where the days ;-)Those where the days ;-)Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-27890394480476158932010-02-12T21:12:39.818-05:002010-02-12T21:12:39.818-05:00http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/32780...http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/3278072<br />Thursday 4 June 1914<br /><br />"Sir Gerald Strickland, speaking at a meeting at the Royal Society's rooms undertook to give a definition of the word "wowser"... <br /><br />Oops! Wrong Royal Society. Apologies tendered. "8^>)Uncle Alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05056804084187606211noreply@blogger.com