tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post3995088126679743577..comments2023-09-27T07:44:19.769-04:00Comments on Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: The Future of the ConferenceSabine Hossenfelderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-40985295457622098462010-05-23T14:50:30.490-04:002010-05-23T14:50:30.490-04:00I think you missed the point of the workshop abstr...<i>I think you missed the point of the workshop abstract, though it is very nicely contained in your quote from Musser's book. Discoveries in science are never results of strict logic alone. </i><br /><br />Of course they are not, Bee, hence quantum mechanics. <br /><br />Christine, thanks for the link re Unger. A lawyer/politician is at this conference ... why? I guess because Lee Smolin Steven Colyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10435759210177642257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-1220874095038739512010-05-22T06:04:33.274-04:002010-05-22T06:04:33.274-04:00Hi Christine,
I will certainly look into what Ung...Hi Christine,<br /><br />I will certainly look into what Unger has to say, if for no other reason being some of the most enlightening thoughts I’ve been exposed to where those of geniuses that just happened to also be madmen. It’s to bad that to be mad would not also have one to be necessarily a genius, as there seems to be an amble supply of them always to be found in the world. Now that has a Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-82087947939903152742010-05-21T14:46:56.213-04:002010-05-21T14:46:56.213-04:00Hi Steven,
"It's good I suppose to get c...Hi Steven,<br /><br /><i>"It's good I suppose to get cutting-edge theoreticians such as yourself and Lee and all the Perimeter crowd together with those trained in Aristotelian Logic (Philosophers). I just thought this subject was done to death, and done so long ago. From logic, General and Special relativity can spring, but I don't see how a thousand Socrates teaching a thousand Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-70034753249786805502010-05-21T14:38:59.716-04:002010-05-21T14:38:59.716-04:00The first talks of the PI workshop are now availab...The first talks of the PI workshop are now available at PIRSA <a href="http://pirsa.org/C10001" rel="nofollow">here</a>.Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-68594959023506830602010-05-21T09:26:28.923-04:002010-05-21T09:26:28.923-04:00Hi Bee,
You wrote:
It is better to come up with a...Hi Bee,<br /><br />You wrote:<br /><i>It is better to come up with a general aim and see how things go. I don't understand your criticism.</i><br /><br />I wasn't criticizing so much as commenting. I suppose my "stand" is that one can over-generalize as much as over-specialize. It's open to debate, shrug. But guess which one pays more? :-)<br /><br />It's good I suppose Steven Colyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10435759210177642257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-32536795336929165732010-05-21T08:47:40.383-04:002010-05-21T08:47:40.383-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Steven Colyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10435759210177642257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-70596954077191160762010-05-21T08:44:45.936-04:002010-05-21T08:44:45.936-04:00BTW, perhaps some discussion might also appear her...BTW, perhaps some discussion might also appear <a href="http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=403596" rel="nofollow">here</a>.Christine Cordula Dantashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05271747374185459530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-44361038367398012062010-05-21T08:34:57.087-04:002010-05-21T08:34:57.087-04:00Hi Phil,
Well, I am particularly very curious abo...Hi Phil,<br /><br />Well, I am particularly very curious about what Unger has to say. He is a very interesting figure, and as I mentioned previously, also considered a very, very controversial figure here in Brazil, to the point of some questioning whether he is a genius or a madman. In a private email, some time ago, Smolin mentioned that he was the most "challenging philosopher" thatChristine Cordula Dantashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05271747374185459530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-35248573326453239462010-05-21T07:13:01.038-04:002010-05-21T07:13:01.038-04:00Hi Tim vB,
I agree with much of what you said he...Hi Tim vB,<br /><br /><br />I agree with much of what you said here. except I think the selection process should be given to a qualified third party and not reside with the speaker. That’s to avoid such selection being self serving in respect to the views of the speaker. As for instance the online moderators of the Quantum2Cosmos Festival lecture chose a question of mine to be asked of Rob Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-57196744614819681942010-05-21T07:08:26.666-04:002010-05-21T07:08:26.666-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-9663047688048143162010-05-21T06:40:43.881-04:002010-05-21T06:40:43.881-04:00Hi Luke,
I thank you for sorting out for me as t...Hi Luke,<br /><br />I thank you for sorting out for me as to who may be who in all this. So you are a fan of Harvey Brown, I was wondering if this extends past simply his speaking to include his ideas and if perhaps if you have read his book “Physical Relativity”, He certainly gives one things to think about with his arguments in support of a having a fixed reference frame, although in the endPhil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-31153341660365161392010-05-21T06:33:37.549-04:002010-05-21T06:33:37.549-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-23066218135660933502010-05-21T06:08:34.809-04:002010-05-21T06:08:34.809-04:00One very simple technique than I know from experie...One very simple technique than I know from experience, that works pretty well for talks that are broadcasted online, is simply to have the members of the audience send their questions via email. Any other channel will do, too, of course. You have one, two or more people - depending on the amount of questions that you expect - reading these mails and deciding which questions are duplicates, off Tim vBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01211716548936775210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-56058933907787497902010-05-21T05:58:08.004-04:002010-05-21T05:58:08.004-04:00Hi Christine,
Thanks for the info and the links r...Hi Christine,<br /><br />Thanks for the info and the links regarding the two Brazilian participants. I’ll have to look a little more closely at them, yet at first glance we have Unger, a law theorist, finding quantum uncertainty as having application and influence in realms beyond for which such concepts were initially developed. I find nothing new here really, as ever since Bohr and his boys Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-69017612159523496032010-05-20T13:26:45.869-04:002010-05-20T13:26:45.869-04:00Okay putting second life aside.
Just thinking out...Okay putting second life aside.<br /><br />Just thinking out loud here. I think you have generally explained this idea.<br /><br />Imagine your lecture given by slides, opening with a blog page introduction. Each next page is a blog page entry linked from the introduction.<br /><br />Each page as you progress has a comment section on the side, "your tweeting" as to real time along with PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-72841779008791967042010-05-20T13:07:09.533-04:002010-05-20T13:07:09.533-04:00BTW, Unger is not a physicist, more like a philoso...BTW, Unger is not a physicist, more like a philosopher or social theorist, and his collaboration with Smolin on the nature of time and variation of physical laws came initially as a big surprise for me, some time back.Christine Cordula Dantashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05271747374185459530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-18644186311362608122010-05-20T13:05:26.100-04:002010-05-20T13:05:26.100-04:00Hi Luke,
So far, nothing too interesting. Gives m...Hi Luke,<br /><br />So far, nothing too interesting. Gives me some thoughts I might write a blogpost about, but can't say great insights have been communicated. Best,<br /><br />B.Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-71417372858200136402010-05-20T13:04:27.486-04:002010-05-20T13:04:27.486-04:00Phil,
Unger is quite well-known in Brazil. He ser...Phil,<br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Mangabeira_Unger" rel="nofollow">Unger</a> is quite well-known in Brazil. He served as Minister of Strategic Affairs a few years ago. Considered a very controversial figure here. He is collaborating with Smolin, and is a professor at Harvard.<br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcelo_Gleiser" rel="nofollow">Gleiser</a> Christine Cordula Dantashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05271747374185459530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-14791780622829217052010-05-20T12:41:06.043-04:002010-05-20T12:41:06.043-04:00Phil,
I do know that Steven Weinstein and Doreen ...Phil,<br /><br />I do know that Steven Weinstein and Doreen Fraser are philosophers here at UWaterloo. However, both have been formally trained in physics.<br /><br />Also, it's too bad to not see Harvey Brown on the list, but I imagine he has prior commitments. He is one of my favourite speakers.<br /><br />Bee,<br /><br />Any of the talks you can recommend so far?Lukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16737623629003356329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-38941141364260109922010-05-20T08:57:46.527-04:002010-05-20T08:57:46.527-04:00Hi Bee,
I can understand you yourself not liking ...Hi Bee,<br /><br />I can understand you yourself not liking people to be confined to boxes and yet this is the way the conference by way of its own conception is defined. To tell you the truth I was more interested what metaphysical or ontological perspectives (if any) each of the participants subscribe to, more than what particular category they might be consider to fall into. As for my Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-81688166412542489162010-05-20T08:41:34.559-04:002010-05-20T08:41:34.559-04:00Hi Phil,
I don't know and I'm not a frien...Hi Phil,<br /><br />I don't know and I'm not a friend of putting people into boxes, I don't see what it's good for. Why some people don't participate in a workshop can have all sorts of reasons that have nothing to do with the workshop topic in particular, as I think is obvious. It is thus quite pointless to ask why some people you'd have expected to be there are not on Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-86972640921150538152010-05-20T08:36:57.751-04:002010-05-20T08:36:57.751-04:00Steven: It is sometimes not helpful to over-specif...Steven: It is sometimes not helpful to over-specify a workshop topic, especially not if it has such a diverse audience as this one. It is better to come up with a general aim and see how things go. I don't understand your criticism. You don't have to be interested in any workshop any institute organizes. There are btw plenty of places that allow you to submit your own workshop proposals, Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-15668221263374133022010-05-20T07:48:30.470-04:002010-05-20T07:48:30.470-04:00Hi Bee,
From my own perspective I’m disappointed ...Hi Bee,<br /><br />From my own perspective I’m disappointed not to find either David Z Albert or Harvey Brown on this list as for me each would have something of value to be brought to such a conference which I don’t otherwise find as being represented.<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />PhilPhil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-67604858451234644562010-05-20T07:41:25.473-04:002010-05-20T07:41:25.473-04:00Hi Bee,
Participants
Niayesh Afshordi, Perimeter ...Hi Bee,<br /><br /><i><b>Participants<br />Niayesh Afshordi, Perimeter Institute<br />Anthony Aguirre, University of California, Santa Cruz<br />Julian Barbour, College Farm<br />Ariel Caticha, University of Albany (SUNY)<br />Paul Davies, Arizona State University<br />Doreen Fraser, University of Waterloo <br />Marcelo Gleiser, Dartmouth College<br />Philip Goyal, Perimeter Institute<br />LucienPhil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-40479330097734732662010-05-19T17:48:40.705-04:002010-05-19T17:48:40.705-04:00I can remember a time when one might not of felt t...I can remember a time when one might not of felt too comfortable with the idea of a <a href="http://eskesthai.blogspot.com/2008/10/second-life.html" rel="nofollow">virtual world</a>?:)<br /><br /> <i> “You ask Multivac. I dare you. Five dollars says it can’t be done.” <br /><br /> “Adell was just drunk enough to try, just sober enough to be able to phrase the necessary PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.com