tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post3882948769375450879..comments2023-09-27T07:44:19.769-04:00Comments on Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: How to use an "argument from authority"Sabine Hossenfelderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-3248679417252138932017-01-09T23:40:43.619-05:002017-01-09T23:40:43.619-05:00Nobody,
I don't know. I only got one comment ...Nobody,<br /><br />I don't know. I only got one comment from you, four days ago, and it appears above. There's no other comment from you in the queue. Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-89399992591393330012017-01-09T17:11:59.546-05:002017-01-09T17:11:59.546-05:00Hi Sabine!
I sent another post about a day or so a...Hi Sabine!<br />I sent another post about a day or so ago but did not appear on this discussion. What is going on?Nobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00528026642932172319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-76960144492058535162017-01-09T06:52:52.122-05:002017-01-09T06:52:52.122-05:00When the scientists working on quantifying the inf...When the scientists working on quantifying the influence of greenhouse gases on global warming, they were faced with the counterargument that global warming would be caused by solar variability. They did not simply dismiss that argument, but quantifiwd both greenhouse gas signal and solar variability signal, and found that the greenhouse gas signal was the dominating cause of global warming.<br /Ambi Valenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03488247852564879628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-43698789577419482962017-01-08T09:42:24.676-05:002017-01-08T09:42:24.676-05:00An argument from authority? What should it look li...An argument from authority? What should it look like?<br /><br /> Well would there be deductive/inductive/abductive reasoning to suggest "a first principle," and then we recognize "the idea" of the proposal from such an authority as self evident? We would move on from there, and do our work?PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-17959828487159987282017-01-06T06:31:40.908-05:002017-01-06T06:31:40.908-05:00Nobody,
You can use logic to deduce consequences ...Nobody,<br /><br />You can use logic to deduce consequences only if you are dealing with mathematically clearly defined structures. In reality this is never the case. Mathematical relations are the only cases for which we can say "that's right" and "that's wrong" with 100% certainty. What the Greeks didn't take into account is that when referring to the real world Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-23235208445856801982017-01-06T06:18:26.377-05:002017-01-06T06:18:26.377-05:00Hi everybody!
Whoever is an authority or not, when...Hi everybody!<br />Whoever is an authority or not, when his/her argument fails the test of logical consistency on a fundamental level, it simply proves its ignorance (better I would say ignorance is replaced with abstract maths that do not follow reality). I would not agree with the "Greek rules do not always work". Why? Because the arguments used by the Greeks were referred to ultimateNobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00528026642932172319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-22504472595398795972017-01-06T04:05:25.188-05:002017-01-06T04:05:25.188-05:00Give the Pope a break. He didn't miss it by mu...Give the Pope a break. He didn't miss it by much.APEppinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13169743106191038924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-16259188127789704132017-01-05T06:15:17.386-05:002017-01-05T06:15:17.386-05:00Appeal to Authority has NOTHING to do with questio...Appeal to Authority has NOTHING to do with questions of experts and quotation of expert opinion, and whether or when it is legitimate to substitute an expert positioning, for a bespoke argument, in the course of debating. <br /><br />Likewise, <i>Arguing authoratively using fully referenced expert opinion in quotations by it's very definition is NEVER an 'Argument from authority'.</i>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00627605068166179204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-80176499046388557642017-01-04T00:43:10.184-05:002017-01-04T00:43:10.184-05:00Unk,
Those assertions are easily confirmed by ins...Unk,<br /><br />Those assertions are easily confirmed by inspection. Belief doesn't enter into it.TheBigHenryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04917973198063733316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-36095134939674732582017-01-03T17:56:22.398-05:002017-01-03T17:56:22.398-05:00The eastern end of the Panama canal is on the Paci...The eastern end of the Panama canal is on the Pacific Ocean, and Reno Nevada is west of Los Angeles, California. Do you believe an Anonymous source?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08363770435343791235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-40519787333458593332017-01-03T09:43:17.531-05:002017-01-03T09:43:17.531-05:00"But unlike other logical fallacies, an argum..."But unlike other logical fallacies, an argument from authority isn’t necessarily wrong."<br /><br />Isn't this true of all logical fallacies?<br /><br />I agree that in everyday life we have limited time to check the validity of certain arguments, but I'm suspicious of the attempt to water down this logical fallacy. There already are too many institutions that argue from Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-9461505576765818452017-01-03T08:59:18.556-05:002017-01-03T08:59:18.556-05:00A very gould article, I appreciated it.
But I see ...A very gould article, I appreciated it.<br />But I see the problem, that if the basis of knowledge is too small, judging authorities doesn't work very well. Without some idea of what science means the publicly communicated results obviously are indistinguishable from politics and all the volatile everyday reasonings. <br />Add in some half-digested understanding of theories and scientific M_Malenfanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09809944942172355661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-25086288761654964602017-01-03T08:38:50.651-05:002017-01-03T08:38:50.651-05:00If I told you, should you "believe" me? ...If I told you, should you "believe" me? ;)Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-74242333369112732472017-01-03T08:04:32.306-05:002017-01-03T08:04:32.306-05:00So what's your punchline: should Bob "bel...So what's your punchline: should Bob "believe" in the answer of his calculator?<br />Mauricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16375058316648610565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-30318850334090935952017-01-03T02:58:55.707-05:002017-01-03T02:58:55.707-05:00Henry,
Sorry I had missed your comment. I've ...Henry,<br /><br />Sorry I had missed your comment. I've removed the 2nd calculator, thanks for pointing out. I had printed the transcript and revised it by hand. Evidently, I forgot to make the changes also in the text-file. Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-51776565902371607972017-01-03T02:15:08.207-05:002017-01-03T02:15:08.207-05:00Haelfix,
Galileo's arguments
Newton's la...Haelfix,<br /><br />Galileo's arguments<br /><br />Newton's laws<br /><br />The possessive requires an apostrophe.TheBigHenryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04917973198063733316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-6074488971479968202017-01-03T01:05:34.352-05:002017-01-03T01:05:34.352-05:00During the inquisition and for instance during the...During the inquisition and for instance during the trials of Galileo, there was a lot of logical arguments by the clergy along those lines. Galileos arguments weren't always perfect and sometimes possessed logical problems, the evidence for what he was claiming was also frequently imperfect (and the clergy and their host of scholars often had reasonable points disputing Galileo's claims)Haelfixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16980241518510365230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-85947135870850553552017-01-02T13:17:33.919-05:002017-01-02T13:17:33.919-05:00You are waxing philosophical Dr. H! Good article. ...You are waxing philosophical Dr. H! Good article. May I share your Google+ post with my "armchair philosophy" forum?Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03016608637645316849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-71065158424252305092017-01-02T12:01:56.484-05:002017-01-02T12:01:56.484-05:00Regarding examples of the mechanic claiming you ne... Regarding examples of the mechanic claiming you need a new crankshaft, or a doctor saying you need a heart surgery, it would be naive & foolish to not get an independent 2nd or even a 3rd "opinion".<br /><br /> The more expensive the task -- not just in upfront $, but also in difficulty or time, or the consequences of a wrong opinion -- the more essential to get additional Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14136922143569965933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-13474961811381030322017-01-02T11:39:22.823-05:002017-01-02T11:39:22.823-05:00"You, your calculator, and the pope and your ..."You, your calculator, and the pope and your calculator ..."<br /><br />Are you implying that the Pope is more skillful in using my calculator than I am?<br />:)TheBigHenryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04917973198063733316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-80604192694780079862017-01-02T11:35:53.397-05:002017-01-02T11:35:53.397-05:00Thanks, I fixed that!Thanks, I fixed that!Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-12309905912890726382017-01-02T11:31:04.193-05:002017-01-02T11:31:04.193-05:00Sabine,
“Can a circle can be squared?” should rea...Sabine,<br /><br />“Can a circle can be squared?” should read "“Can a circle be squared?”TheBigHenryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04917973198063733316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-28832788450082179152017-01-02T05:46:57.717-05:002017-01-02T05:46:57.717-05:00Maro,
What I say is "Isn't necessarily w...Maro,<br /><br />What I say is "Isn't necessarily wrong". I'm very sorry for the unclear pronunciation, I noticed this too late.Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-61249012512448652502017-01-02T04:25:39.418-05:002017-01-02T04:25:39.418-05:00In the video you say "an argument from author...In the video you say "an argument from authority is necessarily wrong", whereas the text says "an argument from authority is NOT necessarily wrong". I think you misspoke and left out the "NO". It's quite confusing :)Marohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510024368951870757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-26492257706807029442017-01-02T03:34:10.967-05:002017-01-02T03:34:10.967-05:00Hi Sabine,
without any authority in that matter I...Hi Sabine,<br /><br />without any authority in that matter I wish a happy new year to you, your family and friends. <br /><br />best,<br />J.<br /><br />and I also hope to read Uncle Al's... maybe I can even decode his words - this time;)akidbellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12292741599925116131noreply@blogger.com