tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post3421705844407775517..comments2023-09-27T07:44:19.769-04:00Comments on Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: Guestpost: "Launch of the Initiative 'For a Smarter Science'" by Daniel MorenoSabine Hossenfelderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-41874957313701583812020-11-13T09:29:37.081-05:002020-11-13T09:29:37.081-05:00posts by scientists for non-scientists are why i r...posts by scientists for non-scientists are why i read this Blog. Thank you for hosting this post Bee.thumoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03222515567131853315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-70073864517066746772020-11-12T18:48:49.947-05:002020-11-12T18:48:49.947-05:00The problems have been known for 60 years and disc...The problems have been known for 60 years and discussed to death. We don't need more discussion. What MIGHT help is a better mechanism for crowdfunding independent research. <br /><br />I've been thinking about the ancient institution of Trinity House in England, founded by Henry VIII, which has managed to retain its original purpose for 500 years. It was designed to replace false Polistrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09594313902571823549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-80409670470909156552020-11-10T03:26:49.174-05:002020-11-10T03:26:49.174-05:00Abstract:
Won't happen and even if by some mir...Abstract:<br />Won't happen and even if by some miracle it did it wouldn't work.<br /><br />Even as I switch myself into optimist mode and assume this is a genuine attempt to get science out of slump and not clever scheme to secure decent to well payed job for you and select few buddies for the next 30 years there are institutional and psychological hurdles. Former possibly surmountable, Olmo Sirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12676046817371118267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-2414593075658280072020-11-07T05:59:51.009-05:002020-11-07T05:59:51.009-05:00Sooner or later (and it has already been all of th...Sooner or later (and it has already been all of the time since 1859, when "The Origin of Species" was published), you will have to do the REAL work, of changing your fundamental assumptions, and your beloved-but-ugly-lie theories. The underlying paradigm for today's scientific research is false, and all fields of science are tattered remnants of hopeful, but entirely false, Harry Dale Huffmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03210275295826050501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-56220979274098286182020-11-06T05:42:32.754-05:002020-11-06T05:42:32.754-05:00In thinking about this there really is no such thi...In thinking about this there really is no such thing as science. There are the sciences. Methods of analysis, experimentation and data work vary quite widely. We are not in the time after Bacon where we have the easily a single philosophy of science, or just plain science.Lawrence Crowellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12090839464038445335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-2142587963380949982020-11-06T02:08:13.227-05:002020-11-06T02:08:13.227-05:00Absolutely not, that would be detestable. That imp...Absolutely not, that would be detestable. That implication was not meant by the text.<br /><br />Your comparison is good, the idea is to frame research funding within a scientific context. Our initiative is not created to support one direction or another when it comes to solving the problems of academia, it simply supports creating a framework for informed discussion. We believe these are seriousFor a Smarter Sciencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03673749615540813666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-15282551923937231922020-11-06T01:57:59.140-05:002020-11-06T01:57:59.140-05:00That's a fabulous name!That's a fabulous name!For a Smarter Sciencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03673749615540813666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-59547058106841854252020-11-05T16:51:47.599-05:002020-11-05T16:51:47.599-05:00That's the easy part TBH.
While it might maks...That's the easy part TBH.<br /><br />While it might makse sense to form a formal working group, forming an open source commission or foundation with an associated publication journal and best-in-class suite of tools using pre-existing technologies would absolutely work.<br /><br />Most bibliographic and deep search tools, especially semantic search tools, use open source technologies and Sky Leachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09626929206145976406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-78632554105748983292020-11-05T12:11:50.742-05:002020-11-05T12:11:50.742-05:00Sky Leach, I’m sure many agree with you that's...Sky Leach, I’m sure many agree with you that's the correct direction. The question however is, how do we make this work? <br /><br />PS: best wish to Moreno et al. for this initiative, but imho crowd-funding is premature without a clear plan of what one want to do with the money and why. Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03001426991222495286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-39306507417971288522020-11-05T08:02:55.940-05:002020-11-05T08:02:55.940-05:00Gah... I truly do not want to come off as "th...Gah... I truly do not want to come off as "that guy" but you both have very good points. 1.) writing about a subject takes a lot of time and energy and 2.) the modern internet has a new and improved version of the Gish Gallop argument where increasing amounts of time and energy are demanded of writers to put everything into one place for the sake of the readers, who also do not have Sky Leachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09626929206145976406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-81124500015232914592020-11-05T07:35:39.345-05:002020-11-05T07:35:39.345-05:00"If unsupervised, human structures tend to ev..."If unsupervised, human structures tend to evolve in a predictable way."<br /><br />I hope it is not the idea that physics research becomes "supervised" by some central authority. That would be a disaster and contrary to the scientific method. The mechanism by which research should be "supervised" is the comparison with experimental observations. I agree that there Flippiefanushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13512606284383417089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-29766532438306361992020-11-05T06:46:28.012-05:002020-11-05T06:46:28.012-05:00It sounds like you are describing something like t...It sounds like you are describing something like the Workshop you were in. I found the link because my professor was in the audience. Perhaps something similar could be organized over Zoom. https://videoonline.edu.lmu.de/en/wintersemester-2015-2016/7475Aperiomicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06963836674738146348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-44976587617308741452020-11-05T06:46:18.901-05:002020-11-05T06:46:18.901-05:00OK, in that case I would prioritize positiveness a...OK, in that case I would prioritize positiveness and choose the name For a Brighter Science. <br /><br />Interesting post anyway.martenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02423871089614417690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-8638312215162300092020-11-05T00:09:38.369-05:002020-11-05T00:09:38.369-05:00(a) content of my book is copyrighted (b) as the b...(a) content of my book is copyrighted (b) as the book is about physics in the first place I do little more than quoting the relevant papersSabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-20706329718095697352020-11-04T22:48:17.245-05:002020-11-04T22:48:17.245-05:00For the purposes of keeping this comment short and... For the purposes of keeping this comment short and to the point I wish to skip the arguments already presented in the blog post above and in multiple articles and publications concerning the problems surrounding Academia. Instead, I would like to jump straight to a proposed solution taken from the tech industry and data and information sciences: that of publication validation using Sky Leachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09626929206145976406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-42220263510051808532020-11-04T18:59:26.318-05:002020-11-04T18:59:26.318-05:00Bring together "experts from a specific subfi...Bring together "experts from a specific subfield of Science (high energy theoretical physics) and from Sociology of Science". Please add experts from Financing of Science.curious georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10772402605458395530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-27952369747611591692020-11-04T18:53:47.671-05:002020-11-04T18:53:47.671-05:00Academia has produced an overabundance of scientis...Academia has produced an overabundance of scientists. With so many billionaires in the world (and soon to be the first trillionaire), they are a ready source of funding to save our planet. That effort is the first step in saving science from the wrecking ball of authoritarianism and nationalism. We need more than crowd-funding for physicists and social scientists.GI Jerryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17902178797507151348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-60375440689622984562020-11-04T15:46:42.394-05:002020-11-04T15:46:42.394-05:00That would be a more accurate description, yes. We...That would be a more accurate description, yes. We just decided to prioritize 'catchiness' when choosing the name. I like to think of it as an aphorism.For a Smarter Sciencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03673749615540813666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-10031965844055417902020-11-04T12:49:52.424-05:002020-11-04T12:49:52.424-05:00I understand that creating such posts requires a f...I understand that creating such posts requires a fair amount of work. If the material is all in your book (which I regret to admit I don't have), wouldn't it be fairly straightforward to extract and post it? How about Daniel Moreno? Since this is his initiative, he would seem to be the obvious person to do it. Russ Abbotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15431389045571531450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-76202508234705182902020-11-04T12:20:34.601-05:002020-11-04T12:20:34.601-05:00Yes, great idea. Will you do it?Yes, great idea. Will you do it?Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-89284690136203411652020-11-04T11:54:02.605-05:002020-11-04T11:54:02.605-05:00Thanks, Sabine,
How about a few posts that review...Thanks, Sabine,<br /><br />How about a few posts that review some of these results in detail -- one major result per post? I think that would be very useful.Russ Abbotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15431389045571531450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-3166061562893649442020-11-04T11:26:51.296-05:002020-11-04T11:26:51.296-05:00We know, among other things, that job insecurity i...We know, among other things, that job insecurity is increasing, and that job insecurity decreases the willingness to take risks, which decreases the willingness of researchers to embark on new topics. We know that academics routinely lie in grant applications. We know that citation and publication counts can and are being gamed, and we know that they are nevertheless still in use. We know that Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-26987903574141084752020-11-04T11:11:12.176-05:002020-11-04T11:11:12.176-05:00You wrote that sociological issues regarding scien...You wrote that sociological issues regarding science have been "studied by experts who have been writing on the topic for decades. Educated analyses published in peer-reviewed journals."<br /><br />But you didn't talk about *any* of the results. Before talking about a crowd-funded conference, let's talk about the results published so far. What do we know already?Russ Abbotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15431389045571531450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-27348773220297742002020-11-04T10:28:18.893-05:002020-11-04T10:28:18.893-05:00Oh my gosh, this is awesome.
TedOh my gosh, this is awesome.<br /><br />TedTed Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00255831707830230397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-40732788290932855192020-11-04T05:13:13.133-05:002020-11-04T05:13:13.133-05:00Smart science seems a pleonasm to me. Smarter scie...Smart science seems a pleonasm to me. Smarter science? I guess that what is meant is more apt, more usefull science. martenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02423871089614417690noreply@blogger.com