tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post2573011263918979063..comments2023-09-27T07:44:19.769-04:00Comments on Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: Science, Writers, and the Public - A bizarre love triangleSabine Hossenfelderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comBlogger109125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-28741038980955146602009-10-28T15:04:13.880-04:002009-10-28T15:04:13.880-04:00Hey Phil, thanks for that link but I'm between...Hey Phil, thanks for that link but I'm between sound cards at the moment. I'll get back to you once I get a new one and can hear stuff again.<br /><br />I definitely think science journalism can improve though. Dennis Overbye is OK, I just wish he'd made a few phone calls to some locally established physicists and mathematical physicists. Heck, Columbia University is just uptown from Steven Colyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10435759210177642257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-33863026023926836882009-10-25T10:11:31.629-04:002009-10-25T10:11:31.629-04:00Hi Steven,
I thought we would be in agreement abo...Hi Steven,<br /><br />I thought we would be in agreement about the dynamics of complexity and I would certainly agree that the Mandelbrot set displayed in zooms on posters can’t help but have it evident that there is something beautiful about mathematics that one can actually have brought to life. It’s also and interesting place to start when talking about whether mathematical research is an actPhil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-693402002792404192009-10-25T08:03:00.041-04:002009-10-25T08:03:00.041-04:00Hi Phil, I meant "Mental, Physical, and Plato...Hi Phil, I meant "Mental, Physical, and Platonic Mathematical Worlds" re Penrose re The Road to Reality 2 posts back, sorry. It's all in Section 1.4 and Figures 1.3 and 1.4 in that book.<br /><br />I profusely apologize for triple posting. Perhaps it was a slow week in mathematical physics?<br /><br />Perhaps, but I if could suggest a new topic, Bee, what of String Theorist Steven Colyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10435759210177642257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-18304750070384233582009-10-25T08:01:12.730-04:002009-10-25T08:01:12.730-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Steven Colyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10435759210177642257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-48469902206543387032009-10-25T05:40:04.707-04:002009-10-25T05:40:04.707-04:00I understand the difference between Many-Worlds an...I understand the difference between Many-Worlds and Multiverse, btw. Re-reading the last sentence of my last post made re realize the reader may think I am confused about the 2, but I am not.<br /><br />Rather, I think Many Worlds opened the door to additional Universes and thereby Multiverse thinking. Many Worlds by Everett (and approved by Wheeler ... any surprise there?) is the 2nd most Steven Colyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10435759210177642257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-27483430785780720472009-10-25T05:03:24.135-04:002009-10-25T05:03:24.135-04:00Hi Phil. Thanks for responding.
I'm not going...Hi Phil. Thanks for responding.<br /><br />I'm not going to argue with you because I tend to agree. Yes, the dynamical stuff is the important thing, but my main point is we capture youth initially through permanent 2-D representations. <br /><br />Other good reads (for the pictures alone!) include 2008's "The Visual Guide to Extra Dimensions: Volume 1" by Chris McMullen, and theSteven Colyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10435759210177642257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-4364412478460501362009-10-22T07:19:36.209-04:002009-10-22T07:19:36.209-04:00Hi Steven,
Yes I would have to admit that the pos...Hi Steven,<br /><br />Yes I would have to admit that the posters have a permanency and simplicity about them, which I’m not suggesting wouldn’t be helpful. However, I would still argue this is made more relevant when the dynamics of it all is also brought to be realized and understood. That’s the thing about complexity, for as displayed in the Mandelbrot set it only forms out of the continuancePhil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-213176161235577532009-10-21T23:50:12.106-04:002009-10-21T23:50:12.106-04:00Thank You Steven for the map.
Some people do not ...Thank You Steven for the map.<br /><br />Some people do not understand how String theory falls under the Condense matter perspective of "choosing a model for foundation" for examination of the issues of science, and how this affects perspective. <br /><br />Albeit anyone's desire to choose what ever makes one happy, it's not a end all to proclamation of TOE, just a way of PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-64787570498408233912009-10-21T13:03:55.911-04:002009-10-21T13:03:55.911-04:00Hi Phil and Plato,
Phil, I totally agree "Im...Hi Phil and Plato,<br /><br />Phil, I totally agree "Imaginary" for Imaginary Numbers is terrible, as well as "Complex" in Complex Algebra, because what can possibly simpler than the square of the square root of negative one is -1 ?<br /><br />Even worse though is "Chaos" Theory for the Mandelbrot Set and Cellular Automata stuff. Try "Nonlinear Dynamical Steven Colyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10435759210177642257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-59050663686043566622009-10-21T11:21:36.189-04:002009-10-21T11:21:36.189-04:00For those who want to understand Complexity and Em...For those who want to understand Complexity and <a href="http://asymptotia.com/2009/10/12/emergence/" title="Published by Clifford on October 12, 2009" rel="nofollow">Emergence</a> in relation to "types" of building blocks you choose.<br /><br />Best,PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-82377153557881188732009-10-21T10:31:34.892-04:002009-10-21T10:31:34.892-04:00Some quotes about simplicity.
A condensed matter ...<a href="http://www.quotesdaddy.com/quote/1184783/albert-einstein/a-theory-is-the-more-impressive-the-greater-is-the" title="Three Rules of Work- Out of clutter find simplicity- From discord find harmony- In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity." rel="nofollow">Some quotes</a> about simplicity.<br /><br />A condensed matter theorist might say, foundation-ally what building block shall one PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-76928402923700524442009-10-21T07:05:28.062-04:002009-10-21T07:05:28.062-04:00Hi Steven,
So Mandelbrot set posters in the class...Hi Steven,<br /><br />So Mandelbrot set posters in the classrooms. This of course has one to grasp perhaps the structure of complexity, yet does little to reveal its dynamics, which I would say can only be accomplished by exploring it in real time with the aid of a computer. That’s because it is here that it might be recognized that with each iteration the set deepens and the complexity Phil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-83011364515123331752009-10-21T04:44:16.619-04:002009-10-21T04:44:16.619-04:00/*...so much for elites controlling society..*/
E.../*...so much for elites controlling society..*/<br /><br />Elites? Rather bunch of ignorants, I'd say. To became member of elites you'll need time & money for education. No wonder, your thinking becomes biased toward your personal interests, it's logical consequention. This bias is clearly visible even in way of discussion here.Zephirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06010623752049244967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-65271625129648869842009-10-20T14:04:07.695-04:002009-10-20T14:04:07.695-04:00Steven Colyer: excuse me, the computer revolution ...Steven Colyer: excuse me, the computer revolution came about because millions of people like me saved their dough and got TRS-80s and Apples, and brought them to work, and started computerizing everything in sight. Otherwise you would be stuck with your PDP-11. So much for Elites controlling society.joel ricenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-29789228325632785922009-10-20T10:41:36.603-04:002009-10-20T10:41:36.603-04:00Hi Phil,
Thanks for this:
"So my ideas as b...Hi Phil,<br /><br />Thanks for this:<br /><br />"So my ideas as being the central goal to improving things is to consider how it best be accomplished to decrease the quantity of fools ..."<br />... Phil Warnell<br /><br />Agreed, so one idea I have to accomplish that is to have two 2 foot by 3 foot posters of The Mandlebrot Set in every American High School Mathematics teachers' Steven Colyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10435759210177642257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-69734848833750494272009-10-20T06:56:25.224-04:002009-10-20T06:56:25.224-04:00Phil:a fool and their money are easily parted
Yes...<b>Phil</b>:<i>a fool and their money are easily parted</i><br /><br />Yes indeed Phil this can be a simplistic equitable basis that is applicable to "consumerism" as well. I think once you make the statement one recognizes it's applicability?<br /><br />So the self correcting spreads throughout the "watchful eye" and what rests are quickly evident according to "PlatoHagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849253658526056393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-73336535907638982692009-10-19T23:54:41.966-04:002009-10-19T23:54:41.966-04:00IMO Higgs boson was observed already as a dilepton...IMO Higgs boson was observed already as a dilepton channel of top-quark decay. From Standard model follows, the product of Higgs boson Yukawa coupling to the left- and right-handed top quarks have nearly the same rest mass (173.1±1.3 GeV/c2) like those predicted for Higgs boson (178.0 ± 4.3 GeV/c2). We can compare the way, in which Higgs is expected to be detected on LHC:<br /><br />http://Zephirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06010623752049244967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-8736224054108906262009-10-19T21:28:57.483-04:002009-10-19T21:28:57.483-04:00Hi Steven,
The motto of what you refer to as thos...Hi Steven,<br /><br />The motto of what you refer to as those representing to be bad capitalists would be “a fool and their money are easily parted”. So my ideas as being the central goal to improving things is to consider how it best be accomplished to decrease the quantity of fools; for as you know it’s simply supply and demand :-)<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />PhilPhil Warnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671311338712852659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-77071953548805052382009-10-19T14:23:00.727-04:002009-10-19T14:23:00.727-04:00Well said, Bee.
I think we all get a bit ticked o...Well said, Bee.<br /><br />I think we all get a bit ticked off though that the good Capitalists like Lazardis are outshone on the public stage by bad Capitalists like Exxon Mobil, Halliburton, and Bank of America, who operate by pure greed.<br /><br />But that's life. Those are ... the givens, the initial conditions. We must move on from there.Steven Colyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10435759210177642257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-62343801452942302432009-10-19T14:06:59.845-04:002009-10-19T14:06:59.845-04:00Joel, who told you that we are defending Soviet to...Joel, who told you that we are defending Soviet totalitarianism and communism here? I don't have to choose between two evils. <br /><br />I want an economic system with the human being and his welfare at its epicentre. The economic system should serve the people and not the other way around.<br /><br />But again we are off topic.Giotisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-44705890008038353062009-10-19T13:45:30.334-04:002009-10-19T13:45:30.334-04:00Joel: As I said, capitalism works well in some reg...Joel: As I said, capitalism works well in some regards. It doesn't work as well in others. Saying it worked well for case x doesn't mean it will work well for case y neq x. Saying capitalism is good is as oversimplistic as saying it is bad. The world isn't just black and white. Best,<br /><br />B.Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-46759144489701739822009-10-19T13:43:04.672-04:002009-10-19T13:43:04.672-04:00The computer revolution came to be because the tra...The computer revolution came to be because the transistor was invented at Bell Labs by John Bardeen, double Nobel Prize in Physics winner, in 1947, and Walter Brattain, with William Shockley politicizing himself in a squirrly way the Nobel for which he richly did NOT deserve, and because Gordon Moore told Fairchild Industries (Shockley, the putz) to go bleep a duck when he and others quit it and Steven Colyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10435759210177642257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-74180991534944163752009-10-19T13:24:57.048-04:002009-10-19T13:24:57.048-04:00it might be useful, considering that you are sitti...it might be useful, considering that you are sitting at a computer, to ask exactly how the computer revolution came to be, instead of a load of half baked notions about economics. Do you guys remember all those computer clubs sprouting up like mushrooms, and as they did people started computer magazines, some for shareware, some to start businesses,and some for consulting.<br />That is Freedom ofjoel ricenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-10745525687204277992009-10-19T13:19:25.735-04:002009-10-19T13:19:25.735-04:00Steven I'm sorry, I was not referring to your ...Steven I'm sorry, I was not referring to your comment but to Bee's last answer. I should have made that clear in my comment.Giotisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-50920855646232578202009-10-19T13:02:48.314-04:002009-10-19T13:02:48.314-04:00Giotis, e specific, please. What exactly confuses ...Giotis, e specific, please. What exactly confuses you? I raised several issues and hopefully with as few words as possible. That's what Engineers and Applied Physicists and Experimental Physicistss (what's the difference?) are all about ===> Optimization, Efficiency, and Economical exposition in speech and the written word. I mean, the two branches of Mathematics: Pure and MathematicalSteven Colyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10435759210177642257noreply@blogger.com