tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post2483681547792341452..comments2023-09-27T07:44:19.769-04:00Comments on Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: Peer Review VISabine Hossenfelderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-27590653075964844692010-06-15T04:46:50.485-04:002010-06-15T04:46:50.485-04:00This is a very interesting suggestion! I can see w...This is a very interesting suggestion! I can see why some journals would resist such an innovation since it subtracts some of their reason for being.Stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11344755591184365022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-91396682620685243092010-04-10T17:20:33.725-04:002010-04-10T17:20:33.725-04:00@Christine: I'm verbatim okay with what you wr...@Christine: I'm verbatim okay with what you wrote previously. Nothing to add : quite sensible.<br /><br />Regards,Jérôme Chauvethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02545307794681614263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-51177150464996996892010-04-10T17:02:13.768-04:002010-04-10T17:02:13.768-04:00Creative Bee has had THE good idea. I never though...Creative Bee has had THE good idea. I never thought of peer review agencies in the past, that's indeed interesting. Those submitting articles know from experience how time-consuming submission is, especially when it has once already been submitted and rejected. The horrible thing is that one is not allowed to submit a manuscript to several journals at the same time. Imagine a world in which Jérôme Chauvethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02545307794681614263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-74158415797887985002010-04-09T08:29:32.582-04:002010-04-09T08:29:32.582-04:00Maxine:
Sorry, but I think you still didn't g...Maxine:<br /><br />Sorry, but I think you still didn't get what I thought was very clearly written. You would not "get the reports yourself" in any other way than you currently get them. I did not say authors should be picking the reviewers. I am saying take the peer review process as it is today, and decouple it from the journals. That's all. I already said previously that yes,Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-44425410659057625402010-04-09T08:17:54.843-04:002010-04-09T08:17:54.843-04:00Yes Stefan and Bee, I read the post. I think you y...Yes Stefan and Bee, I read the post. I think you yourselves haven't appreciated the practicalities of a peer-review system that is run by the authors. If you, the author, get peer reviewers' reports yourself, they are not necessarily going to be objective or the best judge of your paper. Journals like to choose their peer-reviewers for themselves, for many reasons. There is at least one Maxine Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06628509319992204770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-57299418284775025162010-04-08T11:43:58.590-04:002010-04-08T11:43:58.590-04:00Cutting to the quick, Neil, using the fewest words...Cutting to the quick, Neil, using the fewest words possible:<br /><br />Given the current system, you're up against the wall in lacking a PhD. in Physics or in Mathematics. That means you have to go a bit of the extra distance, given the current system of Peer review. Regarding THAT, I think Bee's conclusion in Peer Review V is perfect. I mean it's a perfect conclusion, not that the Steven Colyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10435759210177642257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-13268760062956424122010-04-08T09:57:13.772-04:002010-04-08T09:57:13.772-04:00OK Steven, I won't dwell on my particulars muc...OK Steven, I won't dwell on my particulars much more to ward off OT digression, but your question is good in general: I meant, very specific conventions. My argument absolutely was mathematical and not just "logical." (I'm not sure what you mean, unless generalized complaints against circular arguments etc, which I also do.) Don't you recall from the post? I calculate outputNeil Bateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04564859009749481136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-21598842551327605422010-04-07T23:30:06.873-04:002010-04-07T23:30:06.873-04:00I need to master quantum optics conventions to mak...<i>I need to master quantum optics conventions to make a good point anywhere.</i><br /><br />And there you have it, the crux of your problem, Neil. You really DO have to write a paper, wherever you publish it (online or ... not), and have the math be spectacular, or at least correct. I don't subscribe to either Many-Worlds nor Anthropic Landscape, but I'm sure the mathematics in each caseSteven Colyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10435759210177642257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-87069064519480738462010-04-07T23:27:58.687-04:002010-04-07T23:27:58.687-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Steven Colyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10435759210177642257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-80851552951636199972010-04-07T15:22:17.106-04:002010-04-07T15:22:17.106-04:00Yes, Steven, you have some good points. Not entire...Yes, Steven, you have some good points. Not entirely, since it isn't really a proper expectation that one person must go through the entire process of both explaining what should happen (on the theory side) as well as doing the experiment. One person often passes over to whoever can do the lab work.<br /><br />I don't think interferometry is easy or cheap, considering e.g. 1/8 Neil Bateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04564859009749481136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-1223392161137153112010-04-07T11:57:29.590-04:002010-04-07T11:57:29.590-04:00Neil wrote: ... but that critic ...
Chad Orzel o...Neil wrote: <i> ... but that critic ...</i><br /><br />Chad Orzel of Uncertain Principles blog, whose specialty,Atomic/Molecular Laser Cooling, is the same as that of US Dept. of Energy Head's Stephen Chu, for which he won The Nobel Prize in Physics (Not Chad ... Stephen).<br /><br />Nil wrote again: <i>Actually, this experiment could be easily done, it just hasn't been AFAICT.</i><br /><Steven Colyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10435759210177642257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-53670177128408845022010-04-07T11:55:21.579-04:002010-04-07T11:55:21.579-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Steven Colyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10435759210177642257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-35650855575562649722010-04-07T11:54:10.636-04:002010-04-07T11:54:10.636-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Steven Colyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10435759210177642257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-43990053706712439902010-04-07T10:28:18.240-04:002010-04-07T10:28:18.240-04:00Steven, Bee - I am well aware of the prejudice aga...Steven, Bee - I am well aware of the prejudice against thought experiments, and defensiveness towards appealing speculative notions. I ran into some flack with a proposal to show the decoherence interpretation (decoherence occurs, the argument is over whether it accounts for measurements ending up as effective mixtures) was experimentally in contradiction to standard QM. It was claimed I made a Neil Bateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04564859009749481136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-22144257577882364372010-04-07T09:17:28.100-04:002010-04-07T09:17:28.100-04:00I love doing you favors Bee, even unasked for ones...I love doing you favors Bee, even unasked for ones, as you and Stefan are heroes of mine as well, and definitely 2 of my favorites, and I have many heroes, beginning chronologically with Clerk-Maxwell and Einstein and the wonderful Paul Dirac. And here's a shout-out to Michele Besso for being the sounding board for old Albert in May 1905, 5 weeks before he submitted his first Special Steven Colyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10435759210177642257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-65529325950054087452010-04-07T08:02:45.692-04:002010-04-07T08:02:45.692-04:00Be careful who you listen to and don't underes...Be careful who you listen to and don't underestimate Lee. <a href="http://www.thetroublewithphysics.com/Response%20to%20Polchinski.html" rel="nofollow">You might find this interesting</a>. But do me a favor and don't make this a thread on Lee's book, I'm more than tired of the topic. Thanks,<br /><br />B.Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-85296855648437223492010-04-07T07:53:39.501-04:002010-04-07T07:53:39.501-04:00Thanks for the links, Bee. Your work has apparentl...Thanks for the links, Bee. Your work has apparently put some people on the defensive. We are reminded this is inevitable whenever a paper is written that falsifies or attempts to falsify a much worked-on speculative theory. Doubly so if the falsification is based on thought experimentation and not empirical experiment.<br /><br />Amelio-Camelia's work is primarily DSR, so we can fully Steven Colyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10435759210177642257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-41961955510815771432010-04-07T02:42:27.042-04:002010-04-07T02:42:27.042-04:00Hi Jon,
Thanks :-) Well, some of my colleages are...Hi Jon,<br /><br />Thanks :-) Well, some of my colleages are a little unhappy about my paper (see <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1004.0575" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1004.0664" rel="nofollow">here</a>), so the discussion isn't settled yet. In this case, peer review was actually very helpful to improve the paper. (That wasn't so much because of the content, Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-29663668269615670352010-04-06T18:22:01.235-04:002010-04-06T18:22:01.235-04:00I'm not sure if this is the right thread, but ...I'm not sure if this is the right thread, but I am SO glad that you got through Peer Review on this gem.<br /><br />Science 2 April 2010:<br />Vol. 328. no. 5974, p. 27<br />DOI: 10.1126/science.328.5974.27<br /> <br /><br />News of the Week<br />Physics:<br />Thought Experiment Torpedoes Variable-Speed-of-Light Theories<br />Adrian Cho<br /><br />Physicists' best chance of spotting an JonVosPosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11782744243454673221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-27567958705367176792010-04-06T10:14:48.802-04:002010-04-06T10:14:48.802-04:00As for ArXiV: Not always a sure bet to get in a &q...As for ArXiV: Not always a sure bet to get in a "good" paper anyway, even if get sponsorship and account (I have account ...) There's been lots of criticism of their snobbery, picky attitude (I mean, beyond what "pickyness" ideally should be), retaliation against critics or unpopular notions (and that, very inconsistent considering weird stuff there like birds from futureNeil Bateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04564859009749481136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-57609691603126807572010-04-06T09:50:33.630-04:002010-04-06T09:50:33.630-04:00many review articles never seem to get published, ...<i> many review articles never seem to get published, and why should they? </i><br /><br />Indeed, but I guess it is a question of how to view and value certain things. For instance, in astrophysics, you have the high-impact (factor 25.826), invitation-only review journal,<br /><br /><a href="http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/loi/astro?cookieSet=1" rel="nofollow">ARAA</a>.<br /><br />I guess Christine Cordula Dantashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05271747374185459530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-27699992226947134972010-04-06T09:47:21.798-04:002010-04-06T09:47:21.798-04:00I'll get back if need be, but IIRC American ...I'll get back if need be, but IIRC <i>American Journal of Physics</i> and <i>Foundations of Physics</i> offer double-blind review. As I said before, I don't trust people's flaw-riddled psyches and a sting operation/s showed that name-recognition distorts appreciation of inherent contribution. (Bee, what if one of your papers was sent to LuMo for review? ;-O) IMHO it's better to Neil Bateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04564859009749481136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-89742051761089183072010-04-06T09:34:17.035-04:002010-04-06T09:34:17.035-04:00Hi Christine,
Yes, the acceptance of pre-print (o...Hi Christine,<br /><br />Yes, the acceptance of pre-print (or never-print) papers differs greatly from field to field. I recently talked to somebody (cond-mat, stat-mech) who told me that it's actually only a small fraction of the papers there that appear on the arxiv. (I suppose he knows what he's talking about.) It is probably not too surprising that in hep-th and hep-ph the acceptance Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-83394148832778184402010-04-06T09:24:21.140-04:002010-04-06T09:24:21.140-04:00the idea of a pre-print server pointless
I'm...<i> the idea of a pre-print server pointless </i><br /><br />I'm aware. It's just that I am old fashioned since I usually post at the arxiv (for instance) *after* acceptance for publication... But I can understand that high impact results, specially from large experiments/observations cannot wait too long.<br /><br /><i> it won't be too hard to guess who the author is </i><br /><br />Christine Cordula Dantashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05271747374185459530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-42561982032640814712010-04-06T08:56:01.950-04:002010-04-06T08:56:01.950-04:00Hi Christine,
I think it's a good idea, but I...Hi Christine,<br /><br />I think it's a good idea, but I think its effect will be very limited, see my reply to Neil B above. For one, it would basically render the idea of a pre-print server pointless. And besides that, due to the specialization in most fields of science, it won't be too hard to guess who the author is if you make only a little effort. (Rspt if you don't find nothingSabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.com