tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post113432387125695988..comments2023-09-27T07:44:19.769-04:00Comments on Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: What is the equivalence principle?Sabine Hossenfelderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comBlogger113125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-51573921159345699192020-08-25T05:56:11.209-04:002020-08-25T05:56:11.209-04:00Sabine,
“ In this curved space-time a point parti...Sabine,<br /><br />“ In this curved space-time a point particle just takes the path of the longest possible proper time between two places.”<br /><br />I almost tried to correct that to *shortest*. Probably thinking about action being minimised, or path of a photon taking shortest time.<br /><br />But then I thought, “hey, she’s a professional physicist, and I’m not, so...” quick google. Turns ChrisHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14843309565987557644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-16570713573890747022020-08-25T05:38:02.215-04:002020-08-25T05:38:02.215-04:00Steven,
You keep using that word. I do not think ...Steven,<br /><br />You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.ChrisHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14843309565987557644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-44442850188197101642020-08-12T22:08:23.885-04:002020-08-12T22:08:23.885-04:00JimV,
Computers are processing human-devised symbo...JimV,<br />Computers are processing human-devised symbols at the same time as they are processing genuine lawful voltage information. The computer “knows” about the voltages, but not about the human-devised symbols we have “hidden” in the sets of voltages. Lorraine Fordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00175567853773691970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-85540054442739276662020-08-12T22:04:38.713-04:002020-08-12T22:04:38.713-04:00Re Korean War Photo Documentary 11:22 AM, August 1...Re Korean War Photo Documentary 11:22 AM, August 11, 2020:<br /><br />Bert,<br />Thanks for your well-balanced defence of science-related thought and ideas.<br />Re “brilliant”: I feel I don’t really deserve this description, and I can’t live up to it !!<br /> :-) Lorraine Fordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00175567853773691970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-33848374123401868482020-08-12T09:56:31.484-04:002020-08-12T09:56:31.484-04:00Sabine,
I would think that no one can prove that ...Sabine,<br /><br />I would think that no one can prove that primitive matter is, or is not, “dead” (i.e. without even proto-experience or knowledge of its own relationships and numbers, which would seemingly have to be the minimum content of primitive consciousness). <br /><br />This seems to be similar to the zombie problem, where no one can prove that a person is not a zombie that mechanically Lorraine Fordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00175567853773691970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-27833023204133703302020-08-12T03:00:04.910-04:002020-08-12T03:00:04.910-04:00Lorraine,
All conscious experience and feelings t...Lorraine,<br /><br />All conscious experience and feelings that we know of have arisen from "dead matter". How much more evidence do you need than literally every person around you? Sabine Hossenfelderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151209308084588985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-73227362176739998642020-08-12T00:06:20.271-04:002020-08-12T00:06:20.271-04:00Lorraine Ford8:11 PM, August 10, 2020
"You s...Lorraine Ford8:11 PM, August 10, 2020<br /><br />"You simply make unjustified claims ad infinitum. You claim the mind can be weakly emergent from matter but provide no empirical evidence to support this. "<br /><br />This is simply not true.<br />As Dr. H wrote originally, **all** the current empirical evidence suggests we live in a universe of Standard Model matter (and energy), Steven Evanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13898046706669437332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-1387646854984785452020-08-11T15:14:47.089-04:002020-08-11T15:14:47.089-04:00"But clearly, the information content of cons..."But clearly, the information content of conscious knowledge is directly explainable as being lawful relationships and numbers. So, if we experience information content, then so does a particle or molecule experience information content."--Lorraine Ford<br /><br />That is an interesting philosophical concept, not too far from my own expressed opinion that in order for a thinking entity JimVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10198704789965278981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-80740556380454232132020-08-11T11:22:00.252-04:002020-08-11T11:22:00.252-04:00Steven
This blog is not a peer-reviewed journal. ...Steven<br /><br />This blog is not a peer-reviewed journal. Rigor is not necessarily even desirable, much less required. Its freedom of science-related thought and ideas, of conceptual give and take, even occasional rhetorical exaggeration, are what I find most attractive. <br /><br />Differences in perceptions from different viewpoints ... the heart of science.<br /><br />I consider Dave and Korean War Photo Documentaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12109120741562284394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-86544549040862042352020-08-11T09:57:09.616-04:002020-08-11T09:57:09.616-04:00Steven,
There is no evidence that conscious exper...Steven,<br /><br />There is <b>no evidence</b> that conscious experience and feelings can arise from dead matter, i.e. matter without even proto-experience or proto-feelings:<br />1. You have <b>no evidence</b> that primitive matter is completely dead: you are just making assumptions.<br />2. You have <b>no evidence</b> that experience and feelings can arise from dead matter: you are just making Lorraine Fordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00175567853773691970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-35674909525296739432020-08-11T02:47:51.488-04:002020-08-11T02:47:51.488-04:00Lorraine Ford8:11 PM, August 10, 2020
There is no...Lorraine Ford8:11 PM, August 10, 2020<br /><br />There is no evidence that an atom is aware of itself. You are completely insane to think so. All the evidence suggests conscious experience emerges from a brain. Analysis of the complex brain structure is far from complete, so it is perfectly possible that conscious experience may be completely explained in the future just like other complex Steven Evanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13898046706669437332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-55392781656662973192020-08-10T20:11:18.411-04:002020-08-10T20:11:18.411-04:00Steven,
There is no evidence that you (Steven) ha...Steven,<br /><br />There is no evidence that you (Steven) have genuine feelings and experiences: you might be a zombie that mechanically acts as if it had feelings and experiences. I suppose someone could do experiments and measurements on your brain. But measuring your brain is <b>exactly the same as</b> measuring aspects of a particle or molecule: you couldn’t conclude that the measurements Lorraine Fordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00175567853773691970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-17235363289436557862020-08-10T06:52:36.750-04:002020-08-10T06:52:36.750-04:00Lorraine Ford4:10 AM, August 10, 2020
Only eviden...Lorraine Ford4:10 AM, August 10, 2020<br /><br />Only evidence matters. There is no evidence to support this particular claim of Penrose's - it's just speculation. There is also no empirical evidence of what you continually claim. <br /><br />You simply make unjustified claims ad infinitum. <br /><br />You claim the mind absolutely cannot be weakly emergent from matter but provide no Steven Evanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13898046706669437332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-83032103411799936112020-08-10T04:10:43.642-04:002020-08-10T04:10:43.642-04:00Steven,
Re Consciousness:
In a 3rd July 2020 blo...Steven,<br /><br />Re Consciousness:<br /><br />In a 3rd July 2020 blog and video on FQXi entitled “AI, Consciousness, Computation, and Physical Law”, physicist Sir Roger Penrose argues that “events termed “collapse of the wave-function…”” are “accompanied by …moment[s] of “proto-consciousness””.<br /><br />I don’t agree with him, but perhaps you could ask him: “How many thousand times does your Lorraine Fordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00175567853773691970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-60089080686170348022020-08-10T02:37:25.024-04:002020-08-10T02:37:25.024-04:00Lorraine Ford9:14 PM, August 09, 2020
"A lot...Lorraine Ford9:14 PM, August 09, 2020<br /><br />"A lot of people seem to think that a zombie microworld that doesn’t know its own lawful categories (i.e. its mathematical relationships) and associated numbers is logically possible, but I disagree."<br /><br />How many thousand times does your nonsense have to be corrected for you to get it?<br /><br />Nobody thinks such a think is &Steven Evanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13898046706669437332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-91390583051192548742020-08-10T01:40:02.185-04:002020-08-10T01:40:02.185-04:00Dr. H.
Schwichtenberg's "No-Nonsense"...Dr. H.<br />Schwichtenberg's "No-Nonsense" series on Classical and Quantum Mechanics are my most useful references in understanding the different pov's of your Comments section. Light hearted overviews of the essentials,<br />Korean War Photo Documentaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12109120741562284394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-43585479936127131282020-08-09T21:14:44.825-04:002020-08-09T21:14:44.825-04:00Quantum Bit,
Re “BUT consciousness, or the Qualia...Quantum Bit,<br /><br />Re “BUT consciousness, or the Qualia (which may be the core problem) is an altogether different matter. I would say it is not in any way contained or implicit in current physical concepts”: <br /><br />I agree. This is the way I would look at the qualia/ consciousness/ knowledge and experience issue:<br /><br />A lot of people seem to think that a zombie microworld that Lorraine Fordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00175567853773691970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-68086391382017707112020-08-09T13:23:36.879-04:002020-08-09T13:23:36.879-04:00Chris Essonne,
I believe that your approach is un...Chris Essonne,<br /><br />I believe that your approach is unnecessarily complicated. If we follow the original way of Einstein, we do not need any assumption about any kind of an ether. But c needs a reference. In the view of Mach, this reference was the fixed star background. These days we would prefer the position and state of the Big Bang. <br /><br />In this approach the refraction of light (antooneohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12559038212417783694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-86205681674822344992020-08-09T12:39:34.536-04:002020-08-09T12:39:34.536-04:00John,
Different perceptions by different observers...John,<br />Different perceptions by different observers of the same thing are at the heart of science, e,g special relativity. One problem with your thought experiment is you need to use this fact in trying to understand its critics. Good luck.Korean War Photo Documentaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12109120741562284394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-27019146067032501522020-08-09T10:08:20.403-04:002020-08-09T10:08:20.403-04:00Hi Sabine !!!
I hope your day is going well.
And... Hi Sabine !!!<br />I hope your day is going well.<br /> And all you know.<br /><br /> For all y'all's ...<br /><br /> ¶∆×π. Breaking News !!!<br /><br /> Jesus just left Chicago.<br /> - and he's Bound for New Orleans.<br /><br /> I reiterate. -<br /><br />Jesus Just Left Chicago.<br /> - and he's Bound for New Orleans.<br /><br /> One end to the other,<br /> A.C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04994876510058676257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-6172701250200604312020-08-09T09:08:11.895-04:002020-08-09T09:08:11.895-04:00Precognition leads to some absurdities in some cas...Precognition leads to some absurdities in some cases. Consider predator and prey and both have precognition. A sees B at a certain place at a certain time so be there for an ambush. B sees A at that place at that time, so avoid the ambush. A sees that B sees that she will be at that place at that time but sees also that B has decided to go to another location, so ambush A at THAT location. Rick Lubbockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01070357751075383393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-52064296340627062902020-08-09T07:57:21.590-04:002020-08-09T07:57:21.590-04:00The formation of rings around planets is probably ...The formation of rings around planets is probably due to the inspiral of a moon. The thing which causes this is probably the tidal dissipation of orbital energy. For this to happen the moon has to be orbiting in the opposite direction as the rotation of the planet. This process is occurring with Earth and the moon, but the moon is gaining orbital energy as it orbits the same direction as the Lawrence Crowellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12090839464038445335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-38957687651676409592020-08-08T21:57:32.027-04:002020-08-08T21:57:32.027-04:00Quantum Bit6:11 AM, August 08, 2020
"BUT con...Quantum Bit6:11 AM, August 08, 2020<br /><br />"BUT consciousness, or the Qualia (which may be the core problem) is an altogether different matter. I would say it is not in any way contained or implicit in current physical concepts."<br /><br />"BUT", you have not provided an argument for your statement. Why on Earth do you think people would be in the slightest bit interestedSteven Evanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13898046706669437332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-18072862705951665652020-08-08T16:58:37.989-04:002020-08-08T16:58:37.989-04:00Sign of inertial mass for a negative gravitational...Sign of inertial mass for a negative gravitational mass ...<br /><br />A geometric/curvature view would have like sign masses attracting each other and opposite sign masses repelling. On a different thread I remember that this is what our web blog host calculated. An analogy is for two balls and two helium balloons to be released in a room. The two balloons will be on the ceiling (attracted) ben6993https://www.blogger.com/profile/11246990849377879772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22973357.post-73232946354422027102020-08-08T14:37:25.085-04:002020-08-08T14:37:25.085-04:00@antooneo
I full agree with you !
Please have a l...@antooneo<br />I full agree with you ! <br />Please have a look to video #32 on my YT channel (Chris Essonne). <br />Dark energy and Higgs Field are equivalent to the ether. <br />If we assimilate the gravitational potential to dark energy/Higgs field/ether pressure (P), we then get that gravity derives from Ether pressure :<br />g = -K grad P<br />It is easy to see that constant K is homogeneousChris Essonnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18445738430898700364noreply@blogger.com